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The US University experience
Excuse me. They have a women. This is clearly a DEI group of fascist.
Hey ya know, just how it be sometimes
Estonian here, first Yank* scientist on Lemmy to come work at University of Tartu gets a beer on me. Note that when I say “come work at” I mean I live in the city, not that I work at the university too. I dropped out after a semester and a half lol
* Yank refers to the entire USA here, though younger generations don’t use it much. You could be from Texas or California and still be a Yankee.
Same in Finland: a Californian or a Hawaiian is a Yankee (in Finnish: jenkki) here.
I love Tartu, but last I heard, the pay and funding sucked. How is it now?
Apparently it’s only good if you get good grants and scheme around with the money.
According to this professors and above make pretty good money for Tartu cost of living, assuming you’re not trying to support an entire family on a single salary.
Really, it’s a place you could move to for the vibes, but it won’t be the best place to make money.
This is amazing for us in Europe, bring all the educated ones and leave the Trumpers there
Fully onboard with this, welcome to Spain amigo.
well to some of us americans, who can’t leave, this is horrible… but logical….
the last thing i want is all the reasonable people to leave, and be stuck with these fuxks….i kinda wonder now, how much did people fleeing nazi germany contributed to them solidifying power?
It’s kinda funny, this is what Texas did to Oklahoma in regards to our teachers. Put up billboards saying that they paid more in Texas. It’s depressing but it worked lol.
oklahoma wasn’t great before that, but at least it was OK…
Take this up vote and GO
I mean I imagine most people leaving would still keep American citizenship and therefore still be able to vote. Unless they decide to end their citizenship which some might but I imagine most people would still want to keep that option open.
It’s worth noting, keeping your citizenship means paying US federal income taxes, regardless of where you live and work.
Most places have double tax agreements with the US. They’ll be reporting their income to the US, but only paying tax to the US on money earned in the US, from shares for example
The world is looking to China too, their sciences are blossoming. Exciting times ahead while Americans decide who they are and want to be and eventually go through their own Enlightenment. Things are bad now, but tyrants always fall eventually. I think we are entering a sort of golden age for science.
Pity they leave the nukes there, for a bunch of rabid capitalist morons
except they need the same experts to maintain nukes, Nukes have a “expiration date”, they want it to mostly become like russia, where all the money goes to oligarches.
This feels sad on the surface, as an American who went to college 25 years ago and is used to seeing people from around the world move here to learn, teach, start businesses, etc.
But giving it any real thought, damn it, it is much better for humanity this way. Climate change isn’t going to pause while the world watches us collapse.
our 4-year university, actually state is actually suffering from low-enrollment issues, its getting so serious as of recently they have slash faculty and “less important classes”: and the faculties getting canned said it was “birth rates”, i was commenting on the sub, said it was HCOL, and low job prospects.
many state Uni in our area also have big problems too. its likely stemmed from covid, where everyone had a shitty education from classes being online only, cant really learn anything if you cant ask in person questions. although i think covid just unmasked systemic issues going before the pandemic. ive seen disasstisfied reviews on yelp going back 2016. i was curious after graduation if any universities had yelp reviews they all did.
Emotional, fucking, damage.
Why would Americans feel emotional damage from this? They have freedom to be Christian, and self reliant, and proud.
Yeah brain drain isn’t as cool when it happens here, is it?
Come to Australia! If you’re on the west coast of America, it’s not even that ridiculous a journey. It’s quite like America in lots of good ways, and less so in the insane, gun-toting ways. (Lots of idiot-trucks still, though 😞)
You guys are gutting funding, unfortunately.
this is just latest problem and is only a symptom of a larger set of issues going back to your 1st degree.
they only want scientists(phds) in many countries outside of us(i know there are alot there are struggling after just thier initial undergrad and even thier masters)(struggling as in the job prospects for biotech is quite a bit poor for those who are not eligible for grad school, or need experience)
We have quite a shortage of doctors and other medical professionals in Slovenija. Come on over, guys!
ETA: and professors to teach at the medical university.
Most countries welcome medical professionals with open arms. They are always shortlisted. ;)
PS: I love Slovenija, it is so pretty. I reccomend it too!
theres a shortages in the us to for prof, because the tenures are not retiring to leave any positions open, so alot of them end up not applying to colleges anymore, also the fact that many schools are abusing just using adjuncts only
How much is med school there and are older people welcomed into the schools? I had to drop my premed program here in the US because I either need to be a med student for rural America … which can get fucked imo or pay a million to stay in “progressive” cities.
Oof, I don’t know about that. It’s very difficult even for regular students from other EU countries to get in. There are so few spots opened that they are very strict with the criteria plus domestic students are preferred.
i heard its pretty hard because us has standards that are usually above that of most countries, and some countries thier medical programs might not be equal. Also even if you are MD outside of the usa, its very hard to become one in the USA if you try to immigrate here.
aside from UK, and some other european MED schools , theres much more you have to do to apply to become a med student/MD in the usa. you all heard about people trying to go to caribbean med schools only to be met with more requirements in the USA.
I have a friend here in the US who is on a visa and is planning on leaving the US after undergrad and doing grad school in Europe somewhere
This thread gives me hope. Last Trump presidency Marcon told scientists to move to France. I was like… I hear you. Added 56 credit hours of math and science to my writing degree. Now I’m ready to do bioinformatics or something health data related not in the US.
ive seen alot of job listing requiring some bioinformatics training, something the university dont warn people about, aside from the wet lab experience you need before graduating.
I’m in.
Loadsa Yanks in Edinburgh
Aberdeen and Glasgow too tbh.
It is not secret that the US has attracted talented academics for many years. I am sure that these kinds of advertisements are not new.
Yeah with money
Yes. People conducting cutting-edge research should receive suitable compensation. Don’t see a problem with that.
yea thats the only reason, just higher salary only if it matches the HCOL in there area, otherwise they wouldnt have come here.
& then that research gets gatekept by said country, do you agree to that
its gatekeeped in alot of ways, its complex issue stemming back to undergrad. not only because of recent anti-science, and anti-dei initiatives, which adds to the problem.
I wasn’t aware that publishing peer-reviewed work for anybody to read was “gatekeeping”.
thats only 1 part of the issue, its a minor but important part.
I said countries (as in governments & corporations)
Research related to National Defense are usually kept confidential, and corporations have an incentive to not share there research to maintain competitive with their competitors. Neither of these seem out of the ordinary regardless of where you are on the globe.
Even still. The US government funds various institutions that share their research publicly, so I am not sure where you are really going with this.
I’m sure they’re not.
I’m also pretty sure that they’re working a lot better now than they were before…
I too enjoy the freedom to think my thoughts!
Makes me very sad because of course brain drain is inevitable under the circumstances, but selfishly I worry for my families future without them. We can’t afford to get out. Many of us didn’t have the opportunities to become someone who could leave the country in any capacity, let alone now. Just…please if you’re considering this, remember who you’re leaving behind that aren’t the Trump sycophants. I know it’s not your job to fix anything. But if you’re moving to some place because it’s more equitable, I would find it extremely hypocritical that you would be contributing to inequality yourself by doing so.
And, if you’re still not convinced, think about this. This ad is specifically for Finland. That’s a country that just joined NATO because it rightfully fears Russian aggression. But now NATO isn’t a reliable alliance, and Europe will be scrambling to create its own defensive pact. Finland is one of the most immediately vulnerable in this gap however - so, if you move there and Russia comes knocking, when does the running stop? Do you now stay in Finland or do you just keep running?
