the argument against direct action for fear of justifying the actions already being done against us
… ? Implying I’ve made such an argument, in your interpretation of what I wrote?
Whooh. That’s so far a mess in fallacies so far removed from what I wrote, that will be a brandolini’s burden and a half to tidy up. Where did you pick up that idea from? It’s so contrary to what I was saying, this implicit accusation seems like some kind of abuse of cunningham’s law, in its nonsequitur, its strawman.
If that’s not the intended implication, then, I agree. (And just wonder why it was raised there like that.)
But okay, lets go back to…
first off all floride is for the public good
Fluoride, has many studies done on it and its effects. I’m wondering, to make such a simple one-sided blanket statement, are you rejecting the evidence of effects to the contrary? Or are you using “public good” in a way that betrays each individual for “the greater good” where it’s good that people are chemically lobotomised to be easier to be controlled by a centralised government? Or maybe you have seen some study that is so compelling it undermines the claims of effects observed elsewhere? And what of the various historical documents showing plans and intents to use fluoride as I’ve described its effects? … Who’s defining this “public good”, that contravenes what doctors, other healers (e.g. nurses) and communities were noticing? Weston A Price springs to mind for one. A book or two on that, past the name-calling that gatekeepers do to try to keep you away from such “quacks”, can be quite an eye opener. Among the many surprising things, are how there’s not evidence for a dental benefit, evidence of a dental harm, and how the industry just wrangled itself another market to keep itself alive. Mercury’s story’s similar. Along with a lot of big pharma. Interestingly the regulatory body for the pharmaceutical industry in USA is a chemistry regulatory body that was a front set up by the chemistry industry. When you become aware of things like that, it’s hard to let statements slip by without a thousand questions springing to mind. Because what if that’s not said as a satire mocking the absurdity… … I guess it gets worse depending on the interpretation beyond the poor punctuation (~ and spelling ~ not important)… “First off all, fluoride is for the public good”, or, “First off, all fluoride is for the public good”?
the fact the republicans have been talking about removing it should be more then enough to show it’s not out there for graft
idgaf what those crooks are up to, as far as pertains to my own epistemology; my own ability to figure out what’s going on. With puppets of either side, they can terrorise people in groupthink, terrified of not being sufficiently in their in-group, desperate not to be “the other”, and so they accept the package deal of the entire groupthink, and run from anything [even suggested to be] of the other groupthink. And so the psyop keeps everybody who’s still susceptable enough in the tyranny-tacking totalitarian-tiptoe, with one side loudly offered 1 freedom they care about while two they don’t care so much about are taken away, then the same’s done on the other side, 1 placation personal freedom for 2 economic freedoms, 1 placation economic freedom for 2 personal freedoms, and up we ratchet to the top of the political compass. I’m done falling for that.
if they for some reason feel they needed to justify any of this, they would just manufacture that justification. but we are currently past the point the government needs justification for any of this.
I’d say we’re past the point of getting snagged by that, and we’re at the point where the op asks the questions it asks. This is radical mends o’clock. We’ve left it rather late to mend the worsening situation, and so now more desperate and likely ill-conceived efforts to attain remedy will be sought, especially as more extents of the corruption are seen and there are repeated hopes dashed as avenues of remedy in the system are revealed hijacked and corrupted too.
It’s glorious, that the awareness is now so much more widespread and normal everyday, like it’s no grand proclamation now. Now we generally all just know, they manufacture their justifications. … This is not what democracy looks like. This is what the result looks like from letting government suspend democracy for an emergency. Every colour of false flag catastrophic emergency. The psychopathic circlejerk clique who crave power, the well meaning who get corrupted by the process of getting “power”, have no empathy, no ethical moral quandry to hold them back. At all. And … Let’s see if I can remember how it goes… as one middling insider was caught on camera in (irrc) the [20]00s [even before Rockerfella’s 2010 planning document that mentioned operation lockstep] saying “when the terrorist thing wears off, we’re going to have people running scared of a disease without symptoms”, and then there was the pandemic thing, and also in the list of contingency plans of mass distraction to run along side the PNAC global hegemony plan (“7 countries in 5 years” hah!, that was their “two weeks” future-faking bread-crumbing dog-whistle ~ nice to be able to name the ploys), there’s economic collapse (always a classic), environmental disaster (weather warfare tech, banned in the 1970s, hah), … I think I’m forgetting a couple… And then the big two… the penultimate, nuclear war, and the finale, alien invasion. … So now this knowledge is out, and we’ve observed them incrementing through the plan… we won’t fall for it this next time, huh? … Easy to be deluded more people are astute to the issues, from inside an echo chamber. It’s surprising how many people not only do not know, they do not want to know, such is the shape of the conditioning, that it’s a horror too much to face. Your carer, is your abuser.
if we had it your way there would never be a time or event that would justify fighting back and as such your opinion is worthless
BWHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA. XD
CONSTANTLY! NOW! ALWAYS! NEVER RELENTING!
I do not know where you got the idea that A, you need wait for a time or event, B any implication of no justification for fighting back was made, C, fighting’s only in one form (riot) or, D, that fighting itself is the only solution, E that any of that made sense and wasn’t just succumbing to pointless infighting.
This is no time for falling for pitchforks vs torches.
And what would a riot serve?
I know it’s murky at the “top”, but that’s no reason to turn on those who’ve a cookie more, when someone’s hoarding the cookie making machine and the billions of cookies they make from it.
What’s left of small businesses? They’ll be pushed towards siding with the corrupt state, for protection, from a riot.
The corporations? They’re already usurping states and their police. Will they be harmed by a riot? I doubt it. Have a go. See how well they’ve planned for it, and even promoted it and provoked it…
Maybe there are more tools available to us, to our toolboxes, than just the immediate reflexive cathartic futility.
But sure… if we all naruto run together…
It will of course, hurt, and that’s a fantasy, that if ever achieved, would be redundant to attempt.
We will get better ideas how to remedy this, when we stop taking their poison that makes us dumb and reactive, so we’re no longer easily controlled and easily pointed to as the problem.
(And… I thought I mentioned this in the comment being replied to there, but I guess it was in another recent post of mine somewhere… )
As I recall, in Nichiren Buddhism, of all the lower states of being, it’s only anger that can be used for good. So if in a lower state of being, maybe anger can help. Wield it well.
… not like
and as such your opinion is worthless
shooting yourself in the foot, sowing division, conjuring enemies among allies, opposaming yourself into being the oppressor, undemocratically devaluing your fellow human kind…
Maybe we could turn mendwards?
… Might be handy to get some tools of mending, in that toolbox… otherwise, you’ll just be hammering your allies any time they’ve an issue, until you’ve no allies left but the psychopathic circlejerk who had you frog-boil yourself, killed you with your compassion, contorted while your cognition was disabled in the moments of fear they managed to induce in you. It’s so handy knowing about these ploys they do. From this more nuanced and nasty stuff, to the easier stuff to get, like “association”. First step to recognising a trap, is awareness of its existence. “It must be a trap.” “Then why are you still going!?” “I want to find out what kind of a trap it is.”
Some say fight, in the broad sense, like in the broader sense of struggle against oppression. Some say it more acutely. Some get one thrown out with the other. Beware Embrace Extend Extinguish ploys. Beware inducements against your better principles. They invest billions and trillions in perverting your mind. So, oh yeah, I’m never not in the fight. But fight? I’d never let myself get played like that again. Also… It’s way more powerful when you refuse to use their means, no longer affirming the validity of their means, now they’re the ass-hole, attacking the innocant, and the whole crowd turns on them. Back into the pub. My exp.
Are you sure?
Or is it more about dispelling it?
Even just the preceding omitted portion of the line that you replied to on the same line as (~ lol. oh boy), showed:
This is vastly distinct from how when I was “Just Doing My Job”[TM], and the intent would be to have you completely oblivious to ploys afoot, and to have you believe without question, just presume as normal, all the associations we’d be implanting without your awareness, to shift your perceptions, your preferences, your prejudices, and of course, ultimately, your purchases.
It’s the difference between Penn&Teller showing you not only there is a trick, but how it’s being done to you [or at least, so goes the pedagogical aspiration], and a conman not even pretending to be a magician, just tricking you out of your wealth, and having you be so tricked, you’re even thankful for it. A really effective conman, an advertiser, who was really “good” at their job, may even manage to have you attack anyone who tries to get you out of the con, because they got you so identified with it, any critique, any questioning, gets seen as an existential threat.
The ignorance that dies, is not you.
^Is a great line to help remember, and to return to curiosity any time slipping to a place where different perspectives seem threatening and in need of being attacked again.
It’s an ongoing “eternal vigilance” kind of thing, here in a sea of misinformation, where everybody’s a shill.
So, yeah. I’m ex-advertiser, in so far as I’ve utterly relinquished any aspect of a career in it, since that first (and last) TV advert, that while I was making, I watched a Bill Hicks VHS over and over (the one with that “anybody here work in advertising or marketing” bit I linked above), wearing it out to snow, getting maybe a dozen doses a day of that bit. But not at all deluded to think that’s it. It’s a constant presence… that miasma that we’re all swimming in, that normalises the hard sell, the con, the grift, … the convincing. Now, I mmmmmuch much much more prefer the idea we all get epistemologically astute, wise to the con. It’s easier to con, than to de-con. But ever worth striving for a world where people are honest, can spot tricks and psychological maladies, and can even then offer remedies… and then we can expedite mending this world, far easier, without the total abandon to corruption as is and have been for too long.