• go $fsck yourself@lemmy.world
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    There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

    “Buying meat is unethical because of how the animals are treated” ~ sent from my iPhone made by child slave labor

    I’m not saying veganism is bad. What I am saying is that people who think veganism is a moral high ground are wrong. I also think that veganism is a luxury to be even able to follow.

    Edit after downvotes into the negative and shitty asshole responses:
    Here comes the self-righteous assholes who don’t want to have a discussion and instead throw around blame and shame at me. Congrats. Y’all are the reason people hate vegans which hurts your cause by pushing people away from reducing reliance on meat. Every downvote is proof that self-righteous vegans are assholes.

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          Funny thing is that Meat is waaay more expensive to produce then any Vegan alternative but why is Meat not seen as a luxury?

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              Yea meat is being heavily subsidised to bring the cost down, but in reality you pay with your tax money. Also plant based stuff is differently taxed (at least here in germany). Cow milk has a 7% tax and soy milk 19%. There is so much groing wrong because of lobbying by the meat companies.

              Meat is just an extra costly step to produce the food we consume. Instead you could just skip that part and it would be less expensive.

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                There’s so many other equally or even more important issues with how taxes are used, or misused, than just the meat industry.

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                  Yes add animal cruelty to on top of that + health issues with meat consumption. Many good reasons to not eat meat and support that terrible buisiness.

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                    There’s a lot of issues that are much higher on my list of priorities than animal cruelty in the meat industry.

                    “Health issues with me at consumption” is a poor distillation of something that requires a lot more nuance.

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      You can be opposed to unethical treatment of animals and child slave labor. If someone tells me they are against slave labor, my response isn’t ““buying products made by slaves is unethical” ~said by someone who eats factory farmed meat”. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

      I don’t think people go vegan because they want a moral high ground, at least I know I didn’t. People do it because they genuinely believe it’s the right choice to make. And yes, having that choice is a luxury not afforded to everyone, but vegans are no more entitled than the people around them who also have the luxury of being able to choose not to support animal agriculture, but do so anyway.

      You say people don’t want to have a discussion while at the same time calling people who might actually engage in a discussion “self-righteous assholes”. This leads me to believe you may not actually be looking for a good faith conversation.

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        The last part of my message was an edit after being downvoted to the negatives and other peoples very toxic responses.

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          Which response(s) came across as very toxic? I see six responses to your parent comment and they all seem quite civil.

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      Sorry, how is it a luxury? Vegetables, grains, and legumes are far cheaper and healthier sources of calories and nutrition than meat, despite the government subsidies. This perception that you should eat McDonalds and rotisserie chicken every day if you don’t have money to buy groceries is so strange to me.

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        This perception that you should eat McDonalds and rotisserie chicken every day if you don’t have money to buy groceries is so strange to me.

        That’s because no one here brought that up and you’re using a straw man argument.

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        Nice cherry-picked argument there. Notice how the article doesn’t link the study.

        Doing my own analysis for myself, this is not the case.

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            I shouldn’t have to look up the study myself if an article is based on it. Also, that study you linked is not the one that the article mentions.

            And yeah, the analysis is biased because it’s literally for myself, where I live, and what I need. You think that’s a gotcha?

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      It’s pretty ethical to grow and hunt your own food. Hunting even benefits the eco-system and animals haunted since the natural predators that used to keep deer, turkey, elk, and other game animals population in check are no longer prevalent.

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        Personally, I can agree in some circumstances. However, not everyone agrees with that and that is also fine.

        Just don’t try to shove your morals down my throat.

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          Lots of people don’t agree, but we have data to support the benefits, and the legislation to ensure it is enforced. Yes, in an ideal world we’d all be vegans, and nature would balance itself. Maybe some day that will be the world we have, but it is not the world we have now.

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          However, not everyone agrees with that and that is also fine

          It’s even finer because in those situations those people would just die

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      Also if we’re to speak of cruelty and environment shit why don’t vegans speak of the animals farmers need to kill in order to protect crops? Or the fuel spent by importing vegetables and fruits?

      Now I’m not saying that meat is better since tastes are subjective and animals do get treated badly and raised in bad conditions but some of them live in titanium bubbles

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              Vegan protesters: spilling milk in stores, sending death threats to farmers and chefs, disrupting restaurant and more

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                Lol. The vast majority of vegans don’t do anything like that, including the guy in the video linked, but the ones who do are the only ones you hear about.

                If certain activists discredit veganism in your mind, would you say that climate activists who do similar things also discredit environmentalism as a whole?

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                  Yeah? If someone suddenly showed up and they took your phone smashed it saying that Chinese kids made it and we need to protect them and so on, would it help their case or make you wanna hear none of their shit and create a need for a new phone? If part of your community acts like that it’ll drag the whole community down and put a bad light over you

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                    So naturally you’re against environmentalism because of climate activists that destroy property, block traffic, etc?

                    If someone who’s a dick to me is against child labor, I’m not going to all the sudden be pro-child labor. Like wtf are you talking about lol.