cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1338851
Archived version: https://archive.ph/yDjTx
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230811193345/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-fire-all-regional-military-recruitment-chiefs-zelenskiy-2023-08-11/
How many millions of civilians were murdered/killed/starved/driven from their homes/displaced by American and NATO led imperialist wars such as the bombing of Yugoslavia, the invasion of Afghanistan, the bombing of Libya, or Isr*el’s genocidal occupation of Palestine, which is proudly supported by the US and NATO?
Fewer than Russia but you LOVE when Russia does it.
You honestly think less civilians were killed in all those things COMBINED than by Russia? Really? That’s actually one of the most wild liberal claims I’ve ever seen, and thats saying something. You’ve lost attachment to reality.
Prove me wrong. If you can’t, well of course you’re a troll farm and you’re part of the reason Russia has a reputation as the shitstain of the world.
You made the extraordinary claim. Your job to provide proof.
Also I’m an American communist from New England. One of the posts on my profile is about weird shit in the American Pie movies. Another recent one you can actually see is about Skyrim. Clearly troll farm shit. (I’d point out the idea that the Kremlin would bother to astroturf lemmy is INSANE, but that ones been falling on deaf ears because you all are so self important).
So I’m supposed to believe that a bunch of queers are simping for a dictatorship that murders queers?
Jesus I really doubt someone with Fae in their name is cishet but you used that word really slurishly.
I’m not. Looking at the Ukraine War with the nuance and knowledge of geopolitics it deserves isn’t simping for Putin. I hate the Putin regime, especially what they do to their queer community. Its not like Ukraine is that much better on queer issues though?
My posting history goes back three years before federation. You’ll find very few of my posts were about the Ukraine war.
I’m obviously queer af. And wtf about that was slur, and how could you be more bothered that someone used the word “queer” online more than a dictatorship that genocides queer people.
Unless you hate queer people, and hate being reminded they exist, and you want them to be removed from the world.
What nuance? No one from Hexbear has posted anything nuanced, it’s all whataboutism of every other country that isn’t Russia.
Y’all are literally more offended than anyone would criticize Russia than anything else.
I am a bisexual man. I have two girlfriends and they are both trans. I have a trans cousin. And a litany of trans and otherwise queer friends, on and offline. The way you used queer in your post came off slurish whether you intended it or not. If you want to do liberalism solipism and not believe I could genuinely hold these positions as an american queer go ahead, but I do. I can both hate the Vladimir Putin and the Russian government for what they are doing to their queer population (I am actually very upset and offended by that, much more than your slightly slurish use of the word queer), and recognize that America and NATO do more evil in the world in general than Russia could ever dream of. And that if I want to advance the cause of Communism, the current imperialist world order lead by the United States needs to fall first.
People have posted about the history of the War in Donbass, Ukraine’s Nazi problems that the western media was admitting to right up until the invasion, and NATO encirclement plenty.
I would like to remind you that this is a thread about the Ukraine war. In other threads, believe it or not, we talk about other subjects.
Show me the numbers, liberal. Post your source for that wild claim.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-war-already-with-up-354000-casualties-likely-drag-us-documents-2023-04-12/
Ukraine war ALONE is over 350,000. The one that Russia started after telling lies about training operations.
Russia is a murder and lie machine. Russia’s primary exports are murder, lies, and nuclear terrorism.
You’re counting both sides but then blaming only Russia lol? Hard to take that seriously. Give us Ukrainian deaths, preferably only civilian deaths, and then we might have a conversation.
That would be the United States actually. Especially the last thing since Russia has never nuked anyone and America has.
You know how US Republicans like to claim that they are the party that ended slavery?
If you have to dig way back in history to make your point relevant and ignore everything that’s happening in the present day, your point is stupid and your mental stretching looks ridiculous.
I don’t have to dig back very far to find US atrocities actually. The Afgan war ended two years ago and was one of the counterpoints brought up to you.
But the idea that the United States is acutally better today than when they dropped the bombs is rich. At least we were nominally fighting fascism then.
ETA: OK so if by “nuclear terrorism” you mean… the mere act of having nukes and the implicit threat of using them. America has nukes too. Today. In 2023. Or is it only nuclear terrorism when bad country has nukes?
Putin has threatened nukes. Biden has not threatened nukes.
America was fighting a fascist enemy, not against fascism itself. America practically invented fascism.
There are no limit of ways to criticize the US, but it’s slowly, marginally getting better. The US is slowly progressing.
Russia is getting worse.
You dont need to say the words “I threaten nukes!” to threaten nukes. Thats the whole point of mutually assured destruction. Merely having nukes is nuclear terrorism.
Well we agree on something lol.
The US is demonstrably getting worse on trans rights, an issue I assume’d you’d care about.
And its definitely not gotten better about imperialist power projection overseas.
who has Russia nuked
Putin has threatened to use nukes as recently as this year.
Are you defending a dictator who threatens to start a nuclear holocaust?
My favorite part is saying that Russia exports “Nuclear terrorism” when saying that Russia is worse than… the only country that has dropped a nuclear bomb.
Yeah, that really was the cherry on top of the
Sunday.
You ignorant gnome. We hate Russsia more than you. Russia is the liberal democratic nation built by the US from the corpse of our comunist forebears. I’d ask if you ever read a history book but your Midwest tag proves the only ones you got were written by Haliburton so it isn’t your fault you are the way you are. If I wver visit your region I must try to trap you I in a circle of salt and force you to actually read some theory.
Also, just do a quick browse of midwest.social vs hexbear. Your instance acts and talks like 4chan or the_donald.
Is it an actual book or is it wojak spam, because I love reading but your wojak spam is insufferable.
We are a quarrelsome bunch. We do not deny this.
Actual books
Russia is not liberal or democratic. It is a corrupt capitalist oligarchy/dictatorship with limited human rights. It was built by the US from the corpse of the USSR.
Y’all claim to hate Russia but also spend a suspicious amount of time defending it.
It is exactly as liberal and democratic as america.
Absolutely not. America is more liberal and democratic, even if marginally. America has not had a single dictator in power for 2 decades and it’s actually fairly okay to be gay in America.
I would 1000% rather live in the US than live in Russia.
The US has more money. There are for sure places where there that is not true. As history progresses we will see which way America grows. I have no reason to expect it will become anything other than more russsia like as conditions intensify.