If “Vote for Educated Leaders” is truly a controversial statement, then we’re all fucked.
Your leaders absolutely should be educated, not even necessarily in politics, but Bob next door who’s only got two neurons in his head fighting for third place shouldn’t be leading any country
The indian PM has a controversial masters degree ( mostly a fake one), so when someone says vote for educated people , he feels its an personal attack on him and his party !
You forgot to name the prestigious degree: “Entire Political Science”
It’s depressing that people still believe him on anything, but that’s the current state of things
Did you just wake up from hypersleep? We definitely are fucked my guy.
Can I hypersleep until we make our way round to not being fucked?
Make sure to kill Hitler on the next loop.
I’m curious how the timeline would go without Constantine, which would likely also cause Hitler to have never existed.
Go deeper.
Right the greatest wrong of history and make Persia win at Marathon.
You want to use water? Like from the toilet?
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I mean if he chose to communicate his preference, that’s a problem. But “Vote for educated leaders” shouldn’t be exactly controversial. If you’re angry, is it because you know the ppl that you voted for are uneducated?
Well that is where societies get to. Being educated or uneducated becomes equivalent to a political stance. There are plenty of examples of educators getting murdered by governments, sometimes en masse.
Pol Pot took it a step further and murdered anyone who wore glasses, because wearing glasses was seen as being educated.
Authoritarians of every type hate the educated, because the educated often hate authoritarianism.
What’s more concerning is when a society is populated by people who have take the most facile understanding of a position, and then go about confidently as if they understand it. Like, say, if a news article has a rage porn headline and then people don’t read it to understand what actually was going on but make comments on websites as if there was no nuance to the subject whatsoever. … Very concerning.
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sigh the massacres were in side streets, not the square. The students themselves left under the threat of being removed violently once it became clear that the hardline faction in the CCP had won out over the reformists.
Saying things like “Students were massacred on the square” only gives the CCP ammunition for their “see what kind of vile propaganda the west spreads, they’re making shit up” narrative.
Why is it an important distinction? Massacre is massacre whether it’s on a square or on side streets.
Because of what I already said. Also even if the CCP wasn’t using that kind of talk for internal propaganda it’s still nice to be accurate, you know?
It just seems like a small detail that wouldn’t actually benefit their propaganda at all.
It’s a thing that every Chinese knows, that the students weren’t massacred. They were the main force behind the whole thing, it’s not a minor detail. The collective memory, the meaning of the whole thing would be vastly different had they been massacred. It’s more or less a symbol and reminder that you’ll be “invited for a tea” before anything actually bad happens, that shit is oppressive yes but it’s not cultural revolution times where it was nigh impossible to know how you’re even supposed to act, where the limits are. They’re still fuzzy but they’ll be explained to you over a stern cup of tea nowadays.
It may be a small detail from your POV, it isn’t from the Chinese one.
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The way I read is “The CCP didn’t massacre a bunch of uneducated citizens in Tienanmen square”. Because, you know, the context was “educated people get slaughtered”.
He said, “Next time vote for someone who is well-educated so you don’t have to go through this again.” I agree with him, and moreover I think teachers should be allowed to express themselves because everything is political. But I can’t in good conscience argue that this was a politically-neutral statement. In particular, the words “Next time” are saying very plainly that he doesn’t think it went well this time. This is a political argument against the current ruling government.
he made a response on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU09ODTvMqg
He said he meant to be politically neutral.
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This thread is fucking chilling in its ironic self righteousness.
If only there were an article we could read that makes this clear…
It’s so incredibly sad how adults need to be reminded and told to vote for people that have a background with real education. I can’t believe people don’t care about education when it comes to voting for someone to be put in your government. I feel sorry for those people who don’t. You know it’s the people who don’t that have lives that revolve around politics and consume it everyday
Religion and education are two things that violate the law of supply and demand. The less of either that you have, the less you want.
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It turns out that the more you know about the world, the more you tend to lean left.
It’s no wonder the right wants to keep people as ignorant as possible.
Traditional education !== knowing about the world
Identifying left and right is also ignorant. There is no balance to the thought process.
Can you read that out loud to me please?
I’m a centrist, I think about problems and the nuance involved without using identity politics to form my decision.
I’m not quite sure how you can say you don’t use identity politics when you called yourself a centrist. A centrist opinion may contain nuance, but a nuanced opinion does not make it, or someone, a centrist.
There is no identity bc centrists have an infinite amount of variations in beliefs while the left and right require a strict adherence that is often not even in line with the dichotomy that they have created.
Most people are centerists. My thesis is Poli-Sci was centered around the two party system being a downfall for democracy. However saying it’s ignorant to identify is not going to help the situation. At least for now where at least 40 percent give or take are on one end of the extremes.
How does pointing out cult like behavior not help?
How can you be a centrist when the Republican party is fascist?
Sure, let’s not vote for the person that dedicated years on studying history, sociology, economics and political science (or “social studies” if you prefer). Let’s instead vote for the person that stepped on everyone’s heads to make sure he and his company are successful! What could go wrong? Running a country is exactly the same as running a factory, no?
And I’m sorry that so many universities are heavily left-leaning. I’m sure that if the right stops burning books at every corner there would be more right-leaning universities (tho politics should always stay out of classes in my opinion).
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This is some of the best satire I’ve read on Lemmy yet.
“Lemmy: from the makers of Truth Social” - this guy
You seem to be hung up on the whole “education is a leftist ideology” mentality. It might be true, but the facts tend to have a left bias.
A good education doesn’t mean going to a very exclusive or expensive university. A well-educated person can come out of the local university or college. It really depends on the person. Being from Texas and having traveled to and lived in other states, I’ve met plenty of well-educated people on the right, left, and center. The problem is, people who disparage education either have something to gain from uneducated folks or those who’ve been convinced by those who have something to gain (and from what I can tell tend to be lacking in education themselves). It’s a long-known fact that educated people are harder to manipulate. Don’t get me wrong, very smart people can do dumb things too, but being manipulated is much harder.
As far as book burning, the last one of note in the US was in 2022 and reported here. Also, if child protection was a thing on the right, they’d really keep them out of church, although the Bible has been banned for being inappropriate reading material for children.
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This is the dumbest comment I’ve seen on lemmy yet.
I seen a couple of these typical youtube commenters. “Left-leaning university”, shut the fuck up jeez. They are either completely lost here, or intentionally trolling, or pursuing their victim complex by venturing into enemy territory.
They’ve uniformly spent no time in or around academics. Most went to no school except “school of the hard knocks” as they like to say (not accredited).
Sure. Some of them went to college, but went in with pre-existing authoritarian sympathy, and learned next to nothing, doubting the evidence before their own eyes every day. These people call everything they disagree with fake news, having been educated only in ignoring evidence before their own eyes and ears, masters of cognitive dissonance.
Some of them are definitely trolling. They went to ivy leagues and know they are lying not just about why education trends leftward but about everything else too. Such as Tucker Carlson and Trump, who knows Trump lost and who are both vaccinated, for example. They know climate change is anthropogenic and they don’t care because it won’t affect their lifestyles.
You forgot the third option. That some of then are still in high school.
This is the dumbest comment I’ve seen on lemmy yet.
Well the first part is spot on…
Actually, there are numerous trades and other careers where you dont go to college and do very well.
The second part, not so much…
But please keep voting for people with degrees in History because thats working out awesomely.
Aren’t most lawyers anyways?
Aren’t most lawyers anyways?
Elaborate?
IIRC most of Congress started as lawyers. Could be wrong.
IIRC most of Congress started as lawyers.
So apologies for not getting this, but what does that have anything to do with my comment that you originally replied to?
Does the word “left” mean science to you?
No. It means ‘science, bitch’
Eh, more like you want law makers to prove they’re smart enough to understand how the law works. Honestly, a high school education doesn’t prove that. It’s not that someone with only a highschool education can’t teach themselves law, only that they’ll have to find a different way to prove they have the ability to be a good administrator. Even just a college degree doesn’t guarantee the person is all that competent, but it’s better than no degree. It sucks that the world is that way, but any other education system just changes exactly where the lines in the sand are for quickly judging people.
I’d rather they are educated in facts and not feelings.
The facts they teach in school have been rigorously tested for centuries. They aren’t just some opinion of an angry Youtuber. If you don’t agree with them feel free to debunk them using science and receive your Nobel price.
That you don’t get how most facts support left leaning policies says more about you than about the left.
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I don’t think we went to school in the same dimension, because that’s not how I would describe math, science, and literature.
Ooooh. Now I get it. He’s a troll.
Do you think the guy running his own lawn mowing business would be a better surgeon than the girl who spent 25 years in STEM studies, medical school, and residency?
You imbeciles think being a representative/senator/president is like volunteering at the after school bake sale. And that’s why we have such shitty politicians.
Good luck with that lawn mowing guy trying to remove your colon cancer.
Medicine has a clear goal- politics do not. That is one of many reasons that good governance should not be looked for only in academia. A really simple example, if I run for senate should I campaign on policies that help my state but cause diffuse harm nationally or should I campaign on policies that may cause specific harm to my state but are good nationally? I’m not asking which you would win with, I’m asking which is being a good senator? Should I respect the will of their constituents if it conflicts with my personal morality? If I’m a member of group which feels underrepresented in or betrayed by higher-level academia should members of that group vote in a member of academia regardless? Even within a technocracy, ignoring voters, there still has to be aligned goals with the “gatekeepers” to be included in the technocracy- otherwise they will see your conclusions and deem you wrong, unfit. People can be fully informed, acting in 100% good faith, and equally intelligent and still disagree on moral principles and therefore will strongly differ in conclusions.
“Medicine has a clear goal - politics do not. “
This has got to be the dumbest reply and rationalization I’ve ever heard. They are both professions. And best served by educated professionals. You think there’s no subjectivity in medicine? lol.
I think medicine has a goal of health of a patient. That is generally clearly defined. Of course there is ambiguity over proper treatment, but generally for majority of medicine there is clear goals.
I think politician has a goal of health of a nation. FTFY.
Your argument is stupid. Stop making yourself look the same.
Why does health of a nation matter? I don’t agree. And what does health of a nation mean?
I’d prefer a politician who let’s a nation collapse but greatly improves the quality of life of many. (Like what Gorbachev could’ve been.)
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Educated means someone other than you.
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Tell me you don’t know what the work “educated” means in a truly demented political rant without admitting you don’t know what the word means.
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Well, you did what he asked
Plumbers. He’s talking about people who’ve done plumbing appreticeships. It seems pretty obvious.
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“Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.”
ok boomer
Yeah no the whole “Universities are leftist brainwashing stations” is the most bullshit take I’ve heard and almost always comes from people who haven’t been within 15 feet of a college.
Literally most of the shit I was taught was literally neoliberal capitalist-friendly stuff mandated by the states requirements for the degree. A ton of it was helpful in terms of building effective critical thinking skills but if anything the only instructors that ever introduced any sort of political slant was usually the right wingers or religious people. Literally had an instructor intentionally frame parts of our philosophy class in a way that made more pro-religious philosophy appear to be the correct answer. Students that spoke out and tried to say they favored things like determinism for instance were often shut down by the instructor trying to make us look at things like free will in a way that was more favorable to religion. Later found out after the class the dude was a former pastor.
And even the few openly left-leaning instructors were usually just generic neoliberal democrat voting cut-outs that for some reason Republicans and other fringe lunatics pretend are leftist-communist-extremist-goblins.
The vast majority of instructors just simply didn’t even make their politics affiliation apparent. There’s tons I couldn’t even remotely gauge just simply because they only taught and talked about class material.
We have found Tom McDonald’s Lemmy account
. You know and I know that’s exactly what he means
It means it pisses off GOP’s
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I definitely read the headline and thought “please don’t be my state again”
Can you explain why?
(I am not from US)
The US republican/trump/conservative (known collectively as Nazi’s) followers are historically against education. These people are currently promoting a religious inquisition to eliminate books and curriculum in schools that they feel do not align with their hate based religious and intolerant beliefs. Teachers and librarians are being physically threatened and fired for refusing to comply with the book bans and twisted educational mandates. The politicians that populate the groups I mentioned are not considered smart themselves (like stating wind generators were a threat because they would use up all the wind eventually) so advising children to vote for educated politicians threatens their one and only goal, the retention and accumulation of more power.
Oh damn. Indian politicians are also very uneducated but they don’t usually go against education
Funny thing: in early years of Russian Federation “red state” meant southern pro-communism pro-education/healthcare/pension/science funding state.
Around 40% of Indian politicians are only educated up to school (stat might have changed), and the ruling party is quite dystopian in silencing narratives that go against it.
Sorry, but what does “up to school” mean? (I am American, and many of our education groups are schools.) Is that school prior to college, ending near age 18, or something else?
Edit: thank you, I now understand
Upto age of 16 or might include upto 18
till 10th grade (GED equivlent i guess.)
I would guess that most republicans politicians are actually pretty highly educated. Trump even went to ivy league schools. They value it, just not for their voters.
Not really. They use Ivy League schools more for making connections with other wealthy people and getting jobs through those connections than actually learning anything.
Yes I get that about india, but i’m asking why the other perso thought it was US first. Is there any similiar event or so?
Majority of users on lemmy are probably americans by now and they assume everything is about their country.
Luckily this one is in India
Quirk of a polarized political system thanks to FPTP-voting. Sooner or later even the lamest, most basic stuff suddenly turns political and “controversial” while billionaires laugh all the way to the bank. It’s by design and what happens when groups of individuals are allowed to hoard obscene wealth and use it to rule the masses.
I mean - I dislike financial inequality as much as the next person, but attributing the failing education system and polarization to “billionaires” will get us nowhere.
The vast majority of politicians, educators, propagandists and just insecure people are not billionaires. Don’t take away their responsibility, they are not mindless babies.
Except that the money flowing to the top 1% are the result of politics. The tax cuts which funnel money out of the public coffers and into billionaires’ pockets also require cuts to services, like education. Polarization is what’s required to motivate voters to continue to vote against their own interests. They’re very much connected.
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Being in 1% by income makes one barely a millionaire. Most likely not even that if they live in an expensive city and have a family.
0.1% is probably more accurate, but the general idea is the same
It’s not the same. Blaming a group of people without understanding who is in that group is not very thoughtful. This reeks of “kill the rich” or, more accurately, “kill whoever is more rich than me”. If you want to target someone with your frustration, understand at minimum who you are targeting.
The question then is why the 1% have such influence. Why is lobbying even legal when politicians are supposed to represent the people. Why are politicians allowed to trade stocks with inside information on policy. Why do we allow money to corrupt democracy.
Other countries have the problems of first past the post (and I’m it’s biggest critic) but I don’t think politics is as polarising like a team sport as in the USA, and monetary incentives like lobbying are illegal in most countries
I agree. In general, lobbying is a much bigger issue than the “billionaires”. Lobbying exists at all levels. You can have a dinner with a local politician for a very affordable fee ($3-5K), and meet the former or the future president (maybe even the current) for $200-300K. Lobbying is everywhere, it’s not limited to billionaires.
Everything is connected if you look deep enough. People who drive rolling coal cars and hate “the libs” are responsible for their action. Choosing an ideology, watching propaganda, immersing oneself in hate are all actions. Sure, billionaires are having an outsized impact on the world. That’s power. In general - power does corrupt. We, the people, have to take responsibility for our actions, not expect billionaires to stop growing and exercising their influence. It’s easy to blame “the billionaires” for making someone a shitty person.
Except the billionaires are the ones lobbying for cuts to education, buying up all the housing, lobbying against increasing minimum wage keeping people desperate, buying up all the media and turning it into propaganda, are responsible for dumping chemicals that impact growth and development in our water system, etc. Etc. Every failing in our society has billionaires behind it. Yes people are responsible for their actions, but just like you would blame Kim Jong Un for the beliefs of one of his brainwashed citizens rather than blame them, you should also be blaming billionaires and oil execs for people ‘rolling coal to piss off the libs’. They’ve been just as thoroughly brainwashed and propagandised, and just as intentionally.
No, I wouldn’t solely blame Kim Jong Un if a soldier from NK kills a member of my family. The ultimate goal of a totalitarian regime is to convince people that they are powerless, that they need a leader to guide them. This takes away all agency and responsibility (where it matters).
Don’t fall into the same trap. Everyone is an individual, everyone can and should learn. Everyone is ultimately responsible for their life (excluding situations where people are physically constrained by an abuser).
Blaming the “billionaires” is a fruitless endeavor. Do you think if we get rid of billionaires we will automatically live in a just society? There will always be people with more power, billionaires or not.
Worldwide, I am in the 1%. You are most likely too. For a lower class family in Pakistan you are a billionaire.
Really? You have 30 million dollars? I sure as hell don’t. https://www.knightfrank.com/research/article/2021-03-01-how-much-wealth-gets-you-into-the-global-top-1
The highest data point referenced in the article you link to is Monaco with $12.4M. Not sure where you are getting the $30M number.
Anyway, as I said, globally you and I most likely are in the 1%. Not in the US, a very wealthy country.
Edit: here is an interesting data point for you: Kenya is listed last on that graph with just $20K. Do you know how wealthy Kenya is overall? It’s at the 59th place globally. Out of 173 countries.
So yes, you and the majority of people posturing in these comments are the 1% globally. Enjoy this realization, fellow onepercenter.
Now I know to avoid Unacademy.
If “vote for someone educated” has you acting like this, you’re a buffoon.
Brother, he’s not saying he’s going to avoid that teacher, he’s saying he’s going to avoid the place that fired him for saying “Vote for educted leaders”. Don’t be a buffoon.
Another teacher also came out supporting him: https://newsroompost.com/india/babita-mam-calling-for-vote-to-educated-leader-goes-viral-after-karan-sangwan/5272032.html
She might also get fired unfortunately due to the pressure of andh-Bhakts (Blind-nationalists)
How dare you call conservatives buffoons! What if they see your hurtful comment and have someone read it to them?
Miss. He’s avoiding it now because they fired the guy
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Because they fired the guy for such an innocuous comment.
BJP wants to turn india into hindu theocracy.
There’s absolutely a trend/coordinated effort among the global right wing to basically turn every country into Russia, strong dictator, highly nationalistic, one religion forced on everybody, and much much more. It’s happening in America, Europe, Canada, and all of their media and influencers are working together to push the same “values” on everyone, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, racist, and anti-intellectual, anything “woke”.
It’s time for us to unite globally against the Right wing and their allies, that’s the real world war we’re going to have to go through in order to stop them from holding us back and to fix this world’s problems.
It’s time for us to unite globally against the Right wing and their allies
Democrats 🤝I.N.D.I.A alliance
Democrats and Progressives are just America’s portion, here’s a big list of the other folks we should be allied with:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_left-wing_political_parties
However use caution, far too many of these also act as or are funded as controlled opposition, similar to how the American Green Party is generally funded by the Republicans and Russia.
Edit: removed the colloquialism that seemed to be confusing people.
old list
is latest version available.
I don’t think they meant that the list was outdated. “Big old” is an American English (mostly Southern IIRC) term, which means pretty big.
You got it, apologies for using a confusing colloquialism.
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You are almost correct. But Putin doesn’t want Russia to be USSR, he wants to be in power entire his life and after death. He wants personal autocracy or dictatorship where KGB helps keep him and his oligarchs in power. Even war he started is a mean to throw a wall on people’s heads.
People who want Russia to be USSR do it not because they want to be “powerful and feared”, but because in USSR there was decent healthcare outside of Moscow, school near their home wasn’t closed by Sobyanin and there was no war with Ukraine. Because in USSR there was “peace to world” instead of “we will turn world to radioactive ash”(AFAIR Kiselev’s quote, Putin’s propagandist), “glory to science and production” instead of warmongering and destruction.
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You are telling me how he wants to be perceived, not who he is - old KGB dictator who forgot to take his medications. The only things he competing in with Stalin: cult of personality and political assasinations.
Interesting article…
exposed to the fallout between 1949 and 1956
1956 is 3 years after Stalin’s death.
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None of that makes DeSantis and Trump and co. Simp Putin any less, the same with Marine LePen in France and various others.
It feels like we’ve been devolving as a species for the last 20 years or so, I’m pretty tired of living in interesting times.
Last 20 years are very boring time. This is how stagnation works.
Shame on him what if I want stupid dumb idiot leaders?
Then you’re in luck!
Always has been
You are in your element
Stop voting for fascists just because they blame all your problems on marginalized people, already.
I’d love to see those who disagree with his statement answer the question “when is a good time to not vote for educated leaders?” that applies more than 0.01% of the time.
Even religious people shouldn’t disagree with it. If you want someone with religious background in then you want them to be educated in matters to do with that religion. That they themselves don’t consider that education is telling.
That’s a real shame but it says a lot about the motivations of politicians and the fear they have of education. If I ran my own school, I’d be reaching out to him to hire him.
It’s really telling when politicians feel attacked by such a statement.
Teacher fired for promoting education. Got it.
He’s clearly pushing the anti republican agenda… SMH
I guess what Lemmy has in common with Reddit is that nobody reads the article. This happened in India.
half of lemmy users are reddit migrants
Yeah, I could certainly picture some right wing nut complaining it’s an attack on their conservative/Christian values
This happened in India. Right wing nut, sure, but probably not Christian.
That’s why I used a slash, but yeah, I unfortunately assumed USA
