• bloodfart@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    So that’s a real specific problem I have with the greens: they have no theory of power.

    Green politics of all stripes are predicated on, at best, recognizing that there is a system in place and that if it were different, things could be different. I tend to take issue with the specific causes and effects involved in the things greens want to change up, but even if I didn’t, the party has no idea of where the political power it purports to desire to wield comes from.

    Democrats and republicans have clear understandings of that. The different weird communist parties have understanding of where they think political power comes from.

    Green conceptions of power are inscrutable.

    What you just wrote is a great example of that. Where does the power to enact any of the changes you claim greens want to make on the electoral system flow from? From being elected into positions in government by the same system that keeps people from exercising their political will?

    Part of why even looney lefties like myself dismiss the greens is because at the most serious level they’re still just trafficking in “well, if i was in charge” rhetoric.

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      2 months ago

      I mean, yeah. The only way to reform the system is from within the system. Here in lies the ultimate issue with the left: all I ever hear is criticisms and no solutions. We have two options, reform or revolution. Revolution is nearly impossible. So if it’s reform, people need to be elected into the system to make the changes. There is no reform without elections. Even if we were to organize something big like a general strike, it would only make the bourgeoisie afraid. Real changes are legislative and that means elections. Unless you’ve got a better idea, in which case, please share with the class.

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        2 months ago

        I’m not against taking part in elections.

        When I brought up theory of power it wasn’t to handwave away the strategic value of participating in elections, but to specifically critique the lack thereof on the part of the greens.

        Winning an election isn’t enough. Simply participating in an election as a voter, party member or organizer or official is also not enough.

        Under a theory of worker power like what we see from looney lefties of yore and today, election participation in all these roles is useful because it builds worker power and unity.