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minus-squareNurgus@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up5arrow-down2·edit-227 days ago“Revolution only ever results in a change of masters” “One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.”
minus-squarePrunebutt@slrpnk.netlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·26 days ago “Revolution only ever results in a change of masters” Haiti would like to talk to you.
minus-squareNurgus@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·25 days agoSlavery finished, replaced with forced labour and serfdom? That Haiti?
minus-squarePrunebutt@slrpnk.netlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·25 days agoI’m not sure why you’re arguing in favour of literal slavery, but ok. There are other examples: Bavaria in 1919 Spain with the CNT/FAI in the 1930s The 1905 revolution in Russia, along with the 1917 revolution
minus-squareNurgus@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·25 days agoI’m not arguing for slavery, you’re misunderstanding the quote. I didn’t say the change of masters was inherently no better than the previous masters. Revolution is always, in every example, a doorway for powerhungry authoritarians to swoop in. The fact that Haitians were eventually much better off than as slaves doesn’t change that.
minus-squarePrunebutt@slrpnk.netlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·25 days ago Revolution is always, in every example, a doorway for powerhungry authoritarians to swoop in. I disagree. Like I said: CNT/FAI Catalonia, 1919 Bavaria and anarchist Ukraine are counterexamples. If a revolution is thorough enough to eradicate the hierarchical structure of oppression, it doesn’t have to be used by authoritarians.
“Revolution only ever results in a change of masters”
“One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.”
Haiti would like to talk to you.
Slavery finished, replaced with forced labour and serfdom? That Haiti?
I’m not sure why you’re arguing in favour of literal slavery, but ok. There are other examples:
I’m not arguing for slavery, you’re misunderstanding the quote. I didn’t say the change of masters was inherently no better than the previous masters.
Revolution is always, in every example, a doorway for powerhungry authoritarians to swoop in.
The fact that Haitians were eventually much better off than as slaves doesn’t change that.
I disagree. Like I said: CNT/FAI Catalonia, 1919 Bavaria and anarchist Ukraine are counterexamples.
If a revolution is thorough enough to eradicate the hierarchical structure of oppression, it doesn’t have to be used by authoritarians.