The US is fucked. There is no way this gets better. Trump has already clearly communicated his intent to become a dictator. And no one is taking it seriously. He’s talking about using the armed forces to take out his political opponents.
His opposition is still thinking this can be solved in a democratic and and civil way.
If Trump wins it’s over for you and it will have devastating effects on the rest of the world. I hope you understand this.
The US is fucked.
Yes, I agree, and it makes me very sad. The US has been very good for me personally, I get movies, music, technology, relative stability in the world, and so on from the US. I just feel sad for the poor saps who have to live there.
But now, we can’t count on the US being the top political power in the world anymore. So now the EU really has to step up, because we don’t want China or Russia to become the new #1.
As we all fucking should.
And he’s quite right to point out that the media loves obsessing over the dumb shit (like Palmer’s penis and McDonald’s) and spends far less time running down real shit.
Yeah, it’s the media, not websites like Reddit or Lemmy, that obsess over menial things like “Trump did a campaign thing at a McDonalds!!! This CANNOT stand!!!”
Totally not you guys. It’s always “the other”! It’s never because YOU only engage in meaningless shit. It’s never because YOU give those stories clicks because it makes you feel better about yourself. It’s “the media” that are doing these things!
“you guys”
Lul you’re posting this on Lemmy…
I guess you’re the only person on the Internet that is not whatever you’re accusing everyone else of.
We’re just everyday people talking in a room, audience maybe 1000. Broadcast news, is broadcast literally everywhere. The onus is definitely on them to shift the narrative up
Brilliant observation. Everyone says to “be better,” but forgets that applies to themselves.
I respect that he points out that stuff too, but… Supply and demand, right?
Supply and demand has no place in serious journalism - that should be the domain of tabloids.
I agree with you about how it should be. I was merely pointing out how it is.
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I mean, yeah. He’s literally threatening to kill us all.
Don’t exaggerate. We dont know that he intends to kill us. Maybe the National Guard is only meant to maim or seriously injured us.
Forgot the /s at the end
I didn’t think it was needed. I implied that it was acceptable to maim political rivals, myself included. And I used a quote from Dobby the house elf to do it. Thought the joke was apparent.
You’re right - I must have forgot this was on Lemmy. If we were on FB or something like that then not everyone would get the implied /s - but fediverse users are quite a bit better in this regard.
And it’s not all either. He’s only going to
killmaim the Democrats. And black people. And brown people. And LGBT people. And women. And non-Christians. So, you know, as long as you’re not in one of those groups, you’ll be totally fine. For now. But maybe don’t get too comfortable.Not women, republicans need them to cook, clean and produce children.
As long as they aren’t too mouthy and don’t get any ideas about autonomy. So, things like driving, having a credit card or a bank account…nah. And birth control or abortion? Don’t make me laugh.
Only the pink-haired ones, the feminists, trans-women, those with terminally complicated pregnancies, the victims of abusive husbands beating them to death, those seeking medical treatment they can’t afford…
So long as you’re healthy or wealthy, submissive and breedable, mindful and demure and all the other misogynistic ideas we make fun of because they shouldn’t be real and serious, you’ll be fine.
So, just more than half the country, at least at first.
When we should start to worry? When it’s too late?
Young, I couldn’t comprehend how Hitler was elected, disgraced then could come back and how the people let that happening.
Decades later, i really understand: complacency.
Someone bringing the presidency position just casually say in front of the press that he want to hurt its opponent… In public.
Imagine what he say in private, with all his yes men and psycho writer of project 2025 for example… And we know it’s not an accident, he reference hitler more than once… He is in admiration with dictators… he want to be one of them…
Yeah, please “don’t exaggerate”.
Don’t learn from the history. You’re lucky he is also stupid and old…
My comment was meant to be sarcasm. I have to laugh lest I go insane.
Ho, sorry for my reaction
I see so many people not grasping how serious the situation is (or just saying: he’s jockiiiing) that my blood boil. Also because last summer, I saw my grandmother cry while she was remembering how she lost her sister during the first days of the WWII (killed in her house due to the bombing of the train station nearby). She was 5~6 yo and her sister 10yo. All of that because people didn’t react strongly enough to stop a party and a crazy man.
Good luck for the election
A fully armed batalion to remind us of his love nonetheless.
Just not all at once
This is the story that we need to be focusing on until election day. None of the other stunts matter. If anything this post should be pinned. We should keep our eye on the ball even if the media won’t.
Trump threatened to send the military and the national guard after people on the left and Democratic politicians. This is blatant and open fascism. In any other election Trump being openly fascist would be the October surprise. Everyone needs to see this.
He’s not even phrasing it as a threat, for him it’s just an “obvious solution” to a problem he made up. He doesn’t even see it as something serious so he doesn’t threaten us with it.
Which makes what he is saying even more scary. Imagine what is he NOT saying and that he thinks would be a threat? Fuck, as someone on the other side of the pond I hoped I could show my support to my fellow Americans but this will fuck us all in the end.
To paraphrase Trump, he said if elected, he will send the military and national guard after his political and ideological opponents.
That’s a threat. It’s phrased as a threat. The fact he’s says it calmly doesn’t matter. This is what fascists do. They identify an out group. They stir up public fear and resentment against the out group. They make promises to their supports, in the form of threats of violence against the out group, to get rid of the out group. Then historically speaking they make good on their threats to the best of their ability once they take power.
When fascists run out of the current out group they just find another way to divide the population and pick a new out group. As long as fascists want to cling to power they need an enemy. What Trump isn’t telling us is the next out group he hasn’t picked yet because he doesn’t plan that far ahead. The Haitian immigrant conspiracy was a spur of the moment thing that other people had previously come up with and told him about on the plane ride to the debate. If he ever needs a new group to fearmonger about he’ll just ask other fascists for ideas. edit: typos
I disagree with you that he phrased it as a threat but I’m not in the mood to argue semantics
We’re 100% in agreement that this shit is scary af
Literally 1933
Signed, a scared-as-fuck German
Honest question: Do you think the military would obey his orders?
I know the ICE (immigration and customs enforcement) had no problems in doing so, but the military seems to consist of a more varied bunch of people, more patriotic than racist kind of guys, or is that fiction?
They’d use border patrol
Trump is already planning on replacing everyone in the federal administrative state with loyalists. If the military doesn’t follow his orders he will keep replacing people in the military until they do.
The real question is will the military do anything to stop Trump? Let’s not put ourselves in the position of needing to rally around General Brown in a civil war. Let’s vote for Kamala and call Trump weird.
Trump, the whining tiny-penised cunt who nobody likes because of how brittle his bones are, has threatened to round up his critics into camps?
Jon getting serious is kinda scary and rightfully so. He’s worried like the rest of us but likely has a better idea of what’s coming should Trump win. He’s a smart dude.
The thing that really bugs me is that Trump has told everyone exactly what he’s going to do, but no one seems interested.
He’s been very clear that he’s not going to concede, and that he has legal challenges ready to go. The election isn’t going to be won or lost on votes in swing states, but who can provide the most pressure on officials in those setting states.
I have this sinking feeling that he’s going to be declared winner through corruption and manipulation, the dems will say “oh well fiddlesticks”, and the western world will start matching towards fascism.
As in, Kamala is talking about medical records and Trump is planning insurrection.
Just like the investigation into Russian interference, and all Trumps legal stuff. “Yeah well he’s guilty as sin but you know - what are you gonna do”.
the western world will start matching towards fascism.
Continue marching, you mean? That ship sailed years ago.
“When someone tells you who they are, believe them.”
He’s a very smart dude. I wish he’d run for a high political office. People like him are the ones we need in there.
Yes totally agree. I would love for him to run as well but I am guessing Jon is also smart enough NOT to run unfortunately.
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Love your music Tyler, but I wish you would leave your posts here for us to read.
What
“Don’t die for your beliefs. Make a fascist die for theirs.” - someone on here
Its a cute slogan, but all the trigger-pullers appear to be hanging out on the Demolition Ranch Discord.
SRA describes the goal of their organization as “to provide an alternative to the mainstream, toxic, right-wing, and non-inclusive gun culture that has dominated the firearms community for decades. We seek to provide a safe, inclusive, and left-leaning platform for talking about gun rights and self defense, free from racist and reactionary prejudices, while providing a platform for the working class to obtain the skills necessary for all aspects of community defense.”[25] The group describes itself as “working class, progressive, anarchist, socialist, communist, eco-warrior, animal liberator, anti-fascist, anti-racist, anti-capitalist, PoC, LGBTQ-plus.”
Wow! There’s a whole bunch of people I’m friends with that I didn’t even know about.
I’m about as left as they come, and I’m armed. You go far left enough, and you get your guns back.
It’s a weird line to walk, but my socialist rifle club is an awesome group of friends.
Owning a gun is a very different thing than using it.
There’s a demolition ranch discord? I bet that thing glows so hard I wouldn’t even needy phones flashlight. Do you have a link?
Jon Stewart would be put to death if Trump had his way. To quote Mort Goldman, “Save Jon Stewart, he’s our most important Jew!”
i recommend searching:
“jon stewart on crossfire”
“jon stewart on 60 minutes 2004”
Yeah a classic. For additional context, Crossfire was cancelled about a week after that and Tucker Carlson never wore a bowtie again.
We need to get Tucker back in to a studio with him to get roasted over his slack-jaw stare and fascist tendencies.
Oof, suggesting that the “absurdity” of the Bush administration would never be topped didn’t age well
Well of course he is… him and his kind are the first ones to be round up in the camps-I mean… the voter fraud testing center and family firing range.
To be perfectly honest, I’m worried about what the US will do once their political capital weekens more internationally while they sit on the 130 odd military bases abroad in 55 foreign potentially ‘hostile’ (to US interests) territories (if they don’t eat their own first ofc). Public trust has already embraced it’s fundamentally rotten core and rightfully so. The social contract is in shreds between the government and it’s people. Something will crumple and it will be ugly. I don’t think Kamala is much of an answer either, but at least it may buy time for circumstances to change. Americans have to learn to live with each other, one way or another.
Americans have to learn to live with each other, one way or another.
Honestly, I often think Americans need to learn to live apart from each other these days. I’m very skeptical of the notion that the US can ever function as a coherent political unit again, and it might be better for all to just cut bait and move to an EU-esque free movement regime. Let New England, the South, the Midwest, the West Coast and whatever Alaska and Hawaii want to be each be their own independent countries, but any citizen of one has the right to move to any if the others and work immediately. If Republicans want to enact their own little Handmaid’s Tales in the deep South, they can go for it, but no moaning when women and POC decide to move elsewhere. The non-GOP hellscape regions can implement social safety net programs to allow anyone who wants to leave the conservative regions to do so, regardless of financial means, knowing they will have housing, food and healthcare when they get to a civilized country.
It really feels like some backwards regions are holding the whole country hostage at this point.
a surprisingly tiny minority of cities and states make up the overwhelming lionshare of fiscal solvency and standard of living that this country enjoys and balkanizing it would leave them all DEEPLY impoverished nations except one or two.
for those impoverished nations; the politically easiest path to solvency is to invade and occupy its neighbors or descend further into facism.
those one or two rich countries would then also then be in a position to invade and colonize their neighbors for more natural resources as rich countries with sufficient access to poor countries invariably do.
poc aren’t leaving red states that publicly and actively disenfranchise them because they’re stuck there and a country formed by balkanization won’t be any different. white people are mostly the ones that enjoy that sort of fiscal mobility, so there’s a chance that white women could move, but not any other kind of woman; and probably into that one or two rich countries in the case of balkanization.
balkanization can only work if there’s something to glue the people together like a culture and all of the cultures in the united states belong to minority groups thanks to the majority eschewing their own originating cultures in favor of an american identity for a myriad of reasons.
Ha, we in Acela-stan will be fine United by our high (ish) speed profitable national railway with all those nearby third world countries to exploit. After we set up tinpot dictators and plantations, californiastan will have no chance!
the people’s republic of california was one of those mega rich countries i was referring to; it can literally hold its own against other established global north countries like the uk or france by itself today and would absolutely dominate a balkanized united states
acela-stan doesn’t stand a chance against the PRC, but it’s neighbor, estados unidos de neuva york, does. it’s still a 3:1 comparison; but it’s much more fair than acela-stan’s 6:1. the holy texan empire (aka jesus land) would be the closest rival to the PRC, but it’s a very distant second at 2:1 comparison to the PRC.
all of the countries between these three mega rich countries would turn into vassals states or conflict proxies between each other; as rich countries have want to do; and both canada and mexico are in danger of getting sucked in too if california, as we know it today, is in play.
Not a chance. Our national high(ish) speed railroad will hold our states together from the hub of the universe to Nueva York, through Libertydelphia and and down to DC. We have feeder lines out to frontier towns like Albany, out to Pennsyltucky, up north to the provinces, and spreading out through Virginia to stagecoach hubs in the plantation colonies. The railroad built the US before and it can do the same now
We have the civilization, the money, the population. We don’t even need an imagination but can build our wealth through exploiting our colonies next door just like our ancestors did. Our GDP is instantly the worlds third largest economy, leaving the PRC as a distant fifth
I’m especially excited over the profit to be made as the Rust Republic tries to come alive. They need to rebuild the waterways and railroads that facilitated their rise a century ago but this time they’ll have the entire global supply chain to compete with and no one to protect them. They’ll need our money so we’ll have so much opportunity to get rich. I’ll get in early with investing in a rebirth of the Pinkertons. The Rust Republic will no longer be able to afford to give their labor so many benefits, living wages, guarantees, workplaces safety. We’ll make so much money paying almost nothing to get a bunch of Rednecks to beat the unions out of existence
Republican of California has no chance, no downtrodden population to exploit, not tinpot dictators to install over nothing. And they’ll be too busy trying to steal all the remaining water resources to keep properly exploit other resources
there’s no single cultural identity that unifies the people in the east coast megapolis besides being american and they don’t even vote the same way now so they can’t even agree on what that means today; unlike the californians.
but yes, they would dominate if you figure out how to socially glue them together somehow. the california megapolis, on the other hand, already have those things that suggests a strong cultural identity to such a degree that they have a collective nickname for californians who don’t tow the groupthink line: “little texas”. (the nickname is so pervasive that several past governors had used it). in the case of balkinization; the california megapolis is already primed and ready to go it alone whereas you’ll need time, effort and patience to create acela-stan and you also have to hope that none of the other countries somehow don’t interfere for generations while that’s happening. history proves that rich countries always interfere and neuva york alone will both be significantly richer during balkanization and already has a stronger cohesive cultural identity than that of the rest of the east coast megapolis. i would expect they will take efforts to make sure acela-stan never comes into existence as history has also proven that rich countries always do when faced w potential competitor.
Lemmycoin? Lol
It’s lemmy gold! I kinda like this one better but his beard is a little confusing if you don’t compare it to an actual picture of him.
You’ll still need respect for that to happen, which is what I’m referring to by “living together.” Don’t have to be friends, but you got to compromise somewhere.
you['ve] got to compromise somewhere
Not with intolerance. Defend humanity, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight in the press, we shall fight on the schoolgrounds, we shall fight in the workplace and in the streets, we shall fight in the churches; we shall never surrender.
And if this draws new borders, let them be drawn; and let our taxes NOT support those who do not uphold common areligious decency and uphold universal care as a goal. Let those who support despot idols die of the classic diseases and impairments of the dark ages they aspire to re-create.
Let their ‘south’ rise again in gun deaths, suicides, teen pregnancies, scandals, hate; just do it on their own – and look to buy states into the new american union when they falter, empty, and sue to secede so they can follow their inhabitants in.
Ah yes, the Balkanization strategy. Cause that worked out so well the last time.
Some call it Vulcanization, others call it Deprogramming the Trump Cult victims and rehabilitate them into the decent society, if possible.
What? Do you even know what Balkanization is?
What does the breaking up of a larger nation into multiple independent, hostile territories have to do with changing people’s political ideologies?
So this is what Vulcanization is? Are you weirdly worked up about this topic?
Like all these people were happily Yugoslavs and somebody fueled the** different nationalisms** in them to break them up? How does this** compare even remotely** to the American situation?
In America you have several states that oppress their own people because they stand fundamentally against constitutional democracy, freedom of religion, abolition of slavery, gender equality, climate science, endocrinology, …add here whatever the average christofascist hates in order to feel righteous and murderous.
In that they explicitly want to undo modernity and bring society back to the Dark Ages, they are basically the equivalent of the Islamic State in every aspect, except for the flavor of Abrahamic OS they run on their state apparatus.
So instead of telling normal people (leftists, scientists, muslims, gay, trans, intersex) to tolerate those weird freaks, why don’t you go preach to oppressed Arab populations to find some common ground with ISIS, and GTFO ?
Vulcanization is a chemical process of rubber by treating it with sulfur. You have no clue what you are talking about and it is obvious. You want to call me worked up?
How about you stop getting so worked up trying to be morally righteous, fighting ghosts of your own creation and “GTFO” with your fallacious assumptions misrepresenting my argument. None ever said that we have to tolerate fascists.
Did you just not fucking read the top comment in this thread by shikotohno, that specifically said to rely on BALKANIZATION, the process of a country breaking up into smaller, often hostile, independent units typically due to economic, religious, or geopolitical interests, to solve the political strife within the country, or are you just daft?
The strat isn’t to give up and acquiesce to letting them have their own playground to perpetuate their oppression, just because it isn’t happening in your backyard, at the cost of sacrificing hundreds of thousands of innocent people trapped within the regions. You can’t “Deprogram the Trump Cult victims and rehabilitate them into the decent society” if you give the Trump cult their own independent region.
I’ll try to stay serene and calm
When Alabama gets the bomb
—“Who’s Next” by Tom Lehrer
Americans have to learn to live with each other, one way or another.
Imagine giving this advice to anti-Hitler Germans around 1939 or so.
Don’t worry, we won’t have to learn to live with our fellow Americans that long if we lose. You all will though
Americans have to learn to live with each other, one way or another.
WIth Americans, yes; but not with these fascist bigots. Americans have to learn to conflict with those, early, visibly, and often.
So basically, No. We shouldn’t.
Have you ever heard of Hadrian’s Wall ? That happens to all of them eventually.
Hadrian’s Wall marked the boundary between Roman Britannia and unconquered Caledonia to the north.
The Orange Turd is coming for anyone that stands against him.
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Anyone see #UNTRUTH - the Psychology of Trumpism?
PW;DR
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Can you explain what that means?
Paywall, couldn’t read
LMFAO I thought Power Word didn’t read lol Like it used a word you know is going to be a problem
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