• Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    You don’t need to concede to their belief and subsequent policies if they aren’t grounded in reality, like on immigration. You provide a counter narrative grounded in reality that actually address their needs and concerns, real or perceived.

    The Republican narrative on immigration is that immigrants are criminals, bringing crime and drugs into our country to kill our citizens, steal jobs, and exploit welfare, so we need mass deportations. None of that is based on reality.

    Here’s where your argument begins to fall apart. The above statement is true. However, to those who feel this way, the only acceptable solution is “Get rid of them all”.

    US citizens are responsible for smuggling in drugs. Immigrants are responsible for less crime per capita than US citizens, use much less welfare than citizens, and contribute far more than they use. The underlying fear is cost of living and safety.

    Just sayin’…trying to tell US citizens that they’re the real bad guys is probably not going to go the way you think it does.

    So a counter narrative that both points out the realities of mass deportation, aka concentration camps, and provides real solutions to the problems, would absolutely capture those voters and fracture the Republican base.

    Harris tried countering bullshit with reality. Voters voted for the bullshit.

    Those real solutions would include legalization of illegal immigrants

    This will never, ever, ever, ever happen. If you believe that any candidate could ever win an election campaigning for full legalization and just opening up the floodgates, you are living in a bigger fantasy world than Trump is. Every state in the US went redder. US voters voted overwhelmingly in favor of “get rid of 'em all”. And you think that they’d vote for a policy that not only legalizes the ones that are already here, but rolling out the red carpet for even more of them, I have beachfront property to sell you. On Mars.

    In fact, many progressive policies are popular across the board, including Republicans and independents.

    How many elections does Trump have to win before you realize these polls don’t mean shit? If there is anything to learn from Trump’s time in office, it’s that people will gladly tell pollsters something completely different from what they actually end up voting for, if they bother voting at all.

    The only poll that matters is the one that happened on November 5th. About 150 million or so participated, and the voted overwhelmingly against these things.

    I mean sure, you could try to put up a candidate who believes this in 2028. But then you’ll be sitting there during Don Jr.'s inauguration speech wondering why we’re having the exact same conversation.