A passport is one of the most important documents you can have. It has many uses, and is relatively easy to get… at least in my country where we have government efficiency with funding— so we get it in two weeks else it’s free.
It’s a little relevant to the context, but doesn’t really move the discussion forward- I admit.
I found some sources for you, here’s one:
“The chances of fleeing now were slim. Germany had conquered most of western Europe and its ally Italy was invading France in the south. One of the few escape routes left was the long, eastward one, through the Soviet Union by train. Transportation was costly and official hurdles endless. Travelers needed passports or substitute papers stamped with several kinds of permissions: one for exiting the Soviet Union and others for countries of transit and of final destination. What country would accept Jewish refugees?”
By your own source, those seeking passage required stamps - approval - by the destination country willing to accept them during a time of war. In the context of the OP and my following statement, the assumption is the person would depart to another country without the benefit of the equivalent of “stamps”, approval, or wartime ethno-religious refugee status. Just somebody overstaying a tourist passport stay. So no, not really relevant. That said, I don’t disagree with getting a passport, it might be easier to ask forgiveness in another country should TSHTF in the US, but let’s not kid ourselves on it being a valid method of escape in the current situation.
I’m trying to show how it could be useful for you.
If you consider the risk vs reward of having a passport, it seems like a clear calculation to me. It sounds like we agree then. It’s an extra tool you can have, not the ultimate escape plan. As I say, I believe I am mentioning it for your benefit.
I don’t think the United States is going to turn into freaking Yemen. It’s not good for your mental health and those surrounding you to start thinking you are actually going to get executed or something like that.
One is a piece of identification that, if accepted by the destination, allows you temporary entry into the country. That is all.
Visas are very specific for what you are allowed to do, whether it be a student visa, work, or some kind of residency.
I have no idea what you mean by reducing cost of living if your residency is limited and you are paying travel expenses to/from the destination. As far as food goes, yeah, it’s great to experience it, but again no real bearing on the discussion.
I’ve been traveling longer and I travel for a living, not that any of that is relevant considering the differences between the visa and passport are freely available online, yet you handwave that away. You conveniently sidestep travel costs. Maybe they’re easy for you. That’s not the case for many. I can’t believe you skipped past that along with living expenses. There are serious limitations to who can rent/own in some countries, local banks are usually required, asset transfers abroad are limited by the US along with limitations by the destination countries on how much money a foreigner is allowed to hold in an account. Maybe you’re EU where relocation is relatively simple or some other country where CoL is cheap, I can state for a fact that there are plenty of hurdles to relocating from the US to many countries. We are actively exploring it and it is absolutely not as simple as hopping on a plane, renting a flat, and taking in the local cuisine at the cafe on the corner.
I didn’t post the differences between passport and visa for your benefit. I posted it to encourage others to look for themselves. Differences you haven’t explained yet? Why the fuck are you wasting my time when in three separate posts you choose to “nuh uh bro” me and not explain shit. Useless.
I don’t know what to do with your ridiculous views. The facts surrounding immigration and employment in desirable countries is freely available and plainly place plenty of restrictions and barriers to meaningful long-term residency. It’s designed to be hard.
You keep posting your personal views with zero references.
But mostly, If immigration, residency, and employment in foreign countries was cheap and easy like you say everyone would fucking be doing it all the time, not just desperate boat people with nothing to lose.
What good would it do? Unless you’re planning to overstay a tourist passport entry and become an illegal in that country?
A passport is one of the most important documents you can have. It has many uses, and is relatively easy to get… at least in my country where we have government efficiency with funding— so we get it in two weeks else it’s free.
That is not relevant to the context, but good for you.
It’s a little relevant to the context, but doesn’t really move the discussion forward- I admit.
I found some sources for you, here’s one:
“The chances of fleeing now were slim. Germany had conquered most of western Europe and its ally Italy was invading France in the south. One of the few escape routes left was the long, eastward one, through the Soviet Union by train. Transportation was costly and official hurdles endless. Travelers needed passports or substitute papers stamped with several kinds of permissions: one for exiting the Soviet Union and others for countries of transit and of final destination. What country would accept Jewish refugees?”
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/flight-and-rescue
I want you to be well prepared, friend 😊
By your own source, those seeking passage required stamps - approval - by the destination country willing to accept them during a time of war. In the context of the OP and my following statement, the assumption is the person would depart to another country without the benefit of the equivalent of “stamps”, approval, or wartime ethno-religious refugee status. Just somebody overstaying a tourist passport stay. So no, not really relevant. That said, I don’t disagree with getting a passport, it might be easier to ask forgiveness in another country should TSHTF in the US, but let’s not kid ourselves on it being a valid method of escape in the current situation.
I’m trying to show how it could be useful for you.
If you consider the risk vs reward of having a passport, it seems like a clear calculation to me. It sounds like we agree then. It’s an extra tool you can have, not the ultimate escape plan. As I say, I believe I am mentioning it for your benefit.
Do you prioritize not having illegal status in another country over your own ability to stay alive and stay safe?
They deport you. Do you have confidence in evading authorities and working menial jobs under the table for a lifetime?
That’s the point.
not the only two options, you can legally stay in other countries very easily.
I don’t think the United States is going to turn into freaking Yemen. It’s not good for your mental health and those surrounding you to start thinking you are actually going to get executed or something like that.
idk, maybe hold onto it and hopefully not use it (?)
wow, the comments went really somewhere.
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You are confusing passports and visas.
They are not the same thing.
One is a piece of identification that, if accepted by the destination, allows you temporary entry into the country. That is all.
Visas are very specific for what you are allowed to do, whether it be a student visa, work, or some kind of residency.
I have no idea what you mean by reducing cost of living if your residency is limited and you are paying travel expenses to/from the destination. As far as food goes, yeah, it’s great to experience it, but again no real bearing on the discussion.
“I have no idea what you mean by reducing cost of living”
imagine you have to pay $800 in rent.
that $800 is your cost of living.
imagine that next month you move to a different house that costs $400 in rent.
you move there and now pay $400 per month.
that is a reduced cost of living.
I’ve been traveling longer and I travel for a living, not that any of that is relevant considering the differences between the visa and passport are freely available online, yet you handwave that away. You conveniently sidestep travel costs. Maybe they’re easy for you. That’s not the case for many. I can’t believe you skipped past that along with living expenses. There are serious limitations to who can rent/own in some countries, local banks are usually required, asset transfers abroad are limited by the US along with limitations by the destination countries on how much money a foreigner is allowed to hold in an account. Maybe you’re EU where relocation is relatively simple or some other country where CoL is cheap, I can state for a fact that there are plenty of hurdles to relocating from the US to many countries. We are actively exploring it and it is absolutely not as simple as hopping on a plane, renting a flat, and taking in the local cuisine at the cafe on the corner.
if you need help, ask.
“I’ve been traveling longer”
you’ve had to look up the difference between passports and visas. you are not a traveler.
I didn’t post the differences between passport and visa for your benefit. I posted it to encourage others to look for themselves. Differences you haven’t explained yet? Why the fuck are you wasting my time when in three separate posts you choose to “nuh uh bro” me and not explain shit. Useless.
I don’t know what to do with your ridiculous views. The facts surrounding immigration and employment in desirable countries is freely available and plainly place plenty of restrictions and barriers to meaningful long-term residency. It’s designed to be hard.
You keep posting your personal views with zero references.
But mostly, If immigration, residency, and employment in foreign countries was cheap and easy like you say everyone would fucking be doing it all the time, not just desperate boat people with nothing to lose.
I’m done with you.
“But mostly, If immigration, residency, and employment in foreign countries was cheap and easy like you say…”
didn’t say that.