Sowing confusion to deflect blame is Tel Aviv’s usual propaganda strategy.

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      The best way I’ve seen it put was that “Israel’s response goes beyond the scope of defense”

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        “Israel’s response goes beyond the scope of defense”

        Yeah… since 1949.

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      Good for you, condemning all sides from your ivory tower so you can maintain moral purity.

      So! What do you think Hamas should have done? Vote? Start a petition? Post about it on X?

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          Are you trying to suggest that Hamas were some how justified

          I can’t speak for the person you were responding to… but yes - Hamas (and every other organisation Palestinians choose to support) has every goddamn right to fight Israel in whatever way that works. And no… I am in no way suggesting that - I’m stating it outright.

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              Israel has been doing tons of that since 1949 - where were you and the rest of the pearl-clutchers all this time?

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                  And offering nothing but slap-on-the-wrist apologetics for Israel’s decades-old genocide while demonising Palestinians when they fight back makes you (somehow) less of a monster?

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                  I don’t see here where anyone is trying to justify Israel

                  Here… you dropped some of your pro-Israel “both-side-ism” tropes - let me point it out for you.

                  Advocating for the slaughtering of innocent civilians is disgusting.

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                  When you are trying to accuse someone of supporting the slaughtering civilians, and they aren’t supporting Israel in this particular conflict, then by definition they aren’t supporting the slaughtering of innocent civilians.

                  On the other hand, if you are criticizing Hamas for attacking valid Israeli targets in their fight for freedom, you are implicitly supporting the slaughter of civilians. i.e. you support the fact that Israel regularly bombs hospitals and evacuation routes.

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            You’re entitled to your opinion. I do wonder if it would change if it was your mum or brother or some other loved one that gets killed while minding their own business but whatever. In your mind, Hamas would be justified for it.

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              I do wonder if it would change if it was your mum or brother or some other loved one that gets killed while minding their own business

              I am perfectly capable of understanding the point of view of a person who has had their entire family and/or community murdered, imprisoned or forced to flee - but having that happen to one over and over again for almost 80 years while privileged scum runs interference for the perpetrators because it’s simply more convenient to swallow the well-funded propaganda… that stretches the limits of even my imagination.

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          Not having an answer doesn’t mean you can’t condemn both sides in this.

          It actually does, because it means you’re just playing pretend instead of grappling with the world as it actually exists.

          So shut up 😘

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          Riiight… let’s justify an actual and ongoing genocide by hiding behind an alleged one that doesn’t exist.

          Why does this sound so familiar? Oh, right… it’s the exact same “reverse genocide” trope the Apartheid-regime hid behind so long.

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              Alleged genocide?

              Yes, Clyde… an alleged genocide - you know, the one that only exists in your white supremacism-addled mind? You know… unlike the very real genocide Israel has been perpetrating since 1949? Complete with applause from fascist garbage-peddlers like you?

              Israel’s goal is to kill Hamas, not civilians

              Riiiiight… and I suppose next you’ll be telling me the Nazis were only targeting “Jewish-Bolshevism” and not all Jewish people, eh fascist?

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          And how do they force Israel to negotiate?

          Israel won’t negotiate with peaceful protestors and won’t negotiate with hostage takers and won’t negotiate with passive captives. Just an idea, but maybe Israel is the one at fault for there being no negotiations.