After any political debate, it’s customary for news outlets to do some fact-checking, sometimes on the spot. During CNN’s post-debate coverage, anchor Dana Bash caught up with GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy and confronted him with facts.

Ramaswamy had quite a newsworthy night – maybe not the way he would have wanted to be covered or exactly the way he wanted to be covered, with many fiery moments while he was on the debate stage. Bash, who dove right in with “Where do I even start?” started by asking Ramaswamy about why he attacked everyone including the Republican National Committee and NBC, which aired the debate that gave him a lot of camera time. He responded with his frustration with his party and then launched into the fantastical theory that President Joe Biden was not going to be the Democratic candidate in 2024: