The Supreme Court on Tuesday passed up a chance to intervene in the debate over bathrooms for transgender students, rejecting an appeal from an Indiana public school district.
Federal appeals courts are divided over whether school policies enforcing restrictions on which bathrooms transgender students can use violate federal law or the Constitution.
In the case the court rejected without comment, the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld an order granting transgender boys access to the boys’ bathroom. The appeal came from the Metropolitan School District of Martinsville, about 30 miles (48 kilometers) southwest of Indianapolis.
I wish there were more non-gendered restrooms.
The one’s I’ve been to usually has shared sinks and has stalls that fully enclosed, as in you can’t look under the stall. Most restrooms in the US, you can see under the stall in front and from an adjacent stall.
And the urinals is usually in a separate area of the restrooms.
This, these are the best bathrooms anyways. I’d rather not listen to someone on the phone with someone else while using the restroom, lol. Animals, man.
I think the reason we don’t have separate toilet rooms is because people would use them to shoot up and businesses don’t want that.
Problem is women don’t want to go to the bathroom with men.
My highschool did gender neutral restrooms well over a decade ago, and had been doing it for years. (Mostly, it was an old building, and there weren’t enough restrooms to make them all gendered and separate). Everyone had their own enclosed bathroom, with real walls and real doors. It worked fine. Better than fine, as the students were tasked with cleaning the entire school, so nobody tried to destroy the restrooms as some other group of students would have to clean it up. New students got used to it in about 15 minutes, and it wasn’t a topic of discussion throughout HS. This was well before the culture wars though.
as the students were tasked with cleaning the entire school
What, as in they did the job of the cleaners?
I personally have no issue with making students clean their schools. It teaches them responsibility, proper cleaning habits, and respect for public spaces. A kid should know how to scrub a toilet, sweep, take out trash, and not soil a public space.
Honestly think that should be standard. Can always hire cleaners to use more powerful equipment and to clean up after sick kids and whatnot.
Well depends on the type of cleaning and the chemical use.
Picking up trash might be okay, but cleaning washrooms?? That’s not only expose them to harmful chemicals but also require training and proper ware which is a job that you need to get paid for.
Making sure the classroom is tidy and in a respectable state at the end of the day, absolutely. But it’s not the schools responsibility to teach them those things, it’s on the parents.
Essentially, yes. They still had cleaners, but the students were primarily responsible for cleaning. They’d form groups with students from grades 6-12, and a teacher as the leader, and each team would be responsible for things like a classroom, a public area, the school grounds, etc. So nobody wanted to mess up the school because everyone was responsible for keeping it in order. It was usually a half hour 2-3 times a week, and the school was kept remarkably clean and damage-free.
If you’ve ever been at a sports stadium when the women’s line is incredibly long and the men’s line is short, you’ll find plenty of women who miraculously discover a love of gender neutrality.
The fear that most people have - and I’ve seen this as common among women as men, particularly when you invoke Gay Panic - is of sexual assault. And in a country, like the US, which seems to be either unwilling or unable to discourage sexual assault via public policy, there’s a real anxiety for lots of people whenever they use any kind of public restroom.
There was a very similar outcry back during the 60s, when Jim Crow was struck down and bathrooms were racially integrated. You had certain people show extreme distress at the prospect of sharing a lavatory with some of a different race. And, as a consequence, we got a lot of suburban white flight and de facto segregation through modern day red-lining and private security harassment. There was a whole thing during the 80s, where black people trying to use restrooms in private malls (particularly in the South) would be harassed, expelled, and even arrested under nakedly untrue claims of shoplifting. Bunch of News Hour TV shows made a big stink about it for a long time.
But the idea that “women just don’t want to” is heavily overstated. A lot of this anxiety is manufactured. A lot more has far less to do with gender generally speaking and more to do with the individual’s personal experiences.
When you ban trans women from women’s bathrooms you’re opening them to trans men and all a cis man has to do is say “no worries, I’m a trans man, don’t mind the beard.”
You make it EASIER for men to infiltrate women’s bathrooms.
You make it EASIER for men to infiltrate women’s bathrooms.
It is comically easy to enter a woman’s restroom. There is often not even a door in the way. If a man wants to walk in, the only thing keeping him out is peer pressure from the women inside.
What I’ve seen from the trans-panic isn’t women somehow better policing their restrooms from men. What I’ve seen is women trying to clock other women, and harassing - even to the point of physical assault - anyone who doesn’t “look womanly” enough for their tastes.
Case in point, a video of a woman being dragged out of a restroom by police because she was dressed too boyishly.
Here’s another case of a woman who was “clocked” and harassed while using the restroom in a Danbury, NC Walmart. Her pixie cut and baseball cap was enough to provoke another patron into going apeshit.
asking for ID to go to the washroom is to protect people’s “privacy.”
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upheld an order granting transgender boys access to the boys’ bathroom.
Why is it only focusing on 1 gender?
Probably because the lawsuit was filed on behalf of a transgender boy.
The case originally required John R. Wooden Middle School in Martinsville to allow a seventh-grader identified only as A.C. to have access to the restroom while litigation continued.
I wonder why the Pope told them to take a pass for now.
Always think its odd they want someone like this or this in the women’s washroom…
Ultimately, what it boils down to is that they want to force trans people to de-transition, go back into the closet, and hopefully kill themselves. The pain and aggravation caused by these stupid bathroom laws is quite literally the point.
That’s a slippery slope.
Most of the women I see who have an opinion on this are afraid of men sharing their bathrooms. They have a legitimate fear of men that borders on and often crosses over into sexism.
Trans women aren’t men, and every time I see someone insist that their anecdotal reports of women terrified that the bathroom stall next to them might contain a trans woman, they invariably fail to cough up any actual statistics on it. Maybe you’ll be different.
In any event, this is someone born with a vagina:
Do you think that person should use the women’s restroom?
It’s like killing yourself because in physics they teach v=s/t instead of v=ds/dt. Cruelty. Clearly, v=s/t doesn’t work.
I really don’t get it. If you have a penis you would like to use a urinal. If you don’t you wouldn’t.
Stand to pee devices exist and are pretty common. Some people have prosthetic set-ups. Some folks have even had bottom surgery and can stand. Not to hard to use a urinal, although I’ve never used a men’s bathroom that didn’t have a stall in it.
The cruelty is that I am a man. I have about two inches of beard and a mat of chest hair that peeks through a t-shirt. I’m not out at work, I’m not out at restaurants, I’m not out really in any setting that doesn’t require me being nekkid. Requiring me to use the women’s bathroom because I don’t have a penis would require me to cause a massive scene - am I supposed to drop my pants to prove I’m in the “correct” restroom? My drivers license says male on it, do I need to carry around my birth certificate to use the bathroom?
Your physics example is extremely poorly formed. I’ve taught physics for years and have no idea what you’re trying to convey.
How is it possible that you have beard without men genitals?
I’ve been taking testosterone injections for roughly ten years. They are prescribed to me, I inject myself in the thigh once a week. I experienced male puberty. My voice cracked and dropped. I slowly developed stubble that developed into a terrible patchy beard, and with time the ability to grow a fairly decent one.
It’s entirely possible to have a beard without injections or testicles - conditions like PCOS can cause fluctuations in hormone levels. Some women are just naturally hairy, human bodies are complicated 🤷♂️
Why would anyone care where people go the bathroom? Where do you think transsexuals have been going all these years? What nonsense.
I’m 100% a supporter of trans right to use the bathroom of their gender.
There is a reason that bathrooms are separated by gender.
So if you can’t understand why people who don’t believe trans people exist are upset that people are using the wrong restroom, you’re just like the people who can’t understand that trans people exist: it’s a lack of being able to see beyond your own self and understand the position of others. While I strongly disagree with them, their position is not very complicated and easy to understand.
I dont think there’s any need to give the benefit of the doubt to these people anymore. You might argue they believe LGBTQ people shouldn’t exist, and I might believe you, but I tend to think their main motivation is just stirring up anger and resentment against the “other side”.
If people were concerned about privacy or safety, the us would have single user bathrooms or at least stalls that didn’t have 1in gaps around the doors (my 90s high school didn’t have stall doors at all, and in some bathrooms didn’t even have stalls, just a toilet next to the sink in the locker room). The same people aren’t upset about those things, because they don’t actually care about any of this.
Yeah, fuck your genitals, show me how big your dookies are! Who’s gonna help me start a petition to build a national weekly poopie scoreboard? USA! USA! USA! USA!
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Women don’t like going to the bathroom with men.
They tolerate it on campgrounds, but not places of business that they frequent often.
I’m a woman and I don’t care. I’ve been in the bathroom with men before and even had a nice conversation with them. Do I not exist? Who gave you the rights to speak on behalf of all women everywhere?
You keep saying this, but you don’t speak for all women. I am a woman who does not care one flying fuck if the other ladies in the restroom were born with a penis, a vagina, or some variation thereof. I care much more about whether they flush & wipe the seat.
I’m certain you’re not conflating trans with violent, right?? Or sticking up for people who do?
Absolutely, but the barrier is not coming from men who don’t want to share restrooms with women.
No, actually, as transfem the only time anyone ever confronted me about the bathroom I used was a man before I switched. Evidently I was freaking guys out at the urinals 😅
It’s not like we watch each other pee? It’s not the men’s room.
I think it’s more of a safety concern mixed with sexism.
I’ve come across women that flat-out say they are more afraid of men on average and try to avoid them if possible.
One in four women face sexual violence. I get it.
It sure would be nice if they’d stop to consider how women like me would feel to be forced to be surrounded by men in the men’s restroom.
Hey! I appreciate your support, trans rights are human rights!
In the future, could you please use transgender instead of transexual? The latter is a really dated term and ties a gender and societal issue to sexuality. While they may be closely associated, they’re not the same thing and any little bit helps break that association.
I’ve proven I can’t remember this kind of stuff, but I’ll try.
You can also edit your comments, it would be preferred if you would change it so that you aren’t using what many of us consider a slur.
Would it not be better to leave it as is to teach others? Censoring serves no purpose here and it would prevent people from learning
You can edit in a cross out with two tildas ~ surrounding the word and put the correct word next to it if that’s your style. But it’s still somewhat akin to using the n word for some of us.
It’s not our word for how we describe ourselves/ what we transition for, when we transition, and it can have nothing to do with sex, mostly, we can be any sexuality.
That old language centers everything on the fact that people see us as sexual fetishes and not people. Transition is about gender, of which sex sometimes is not even a part, asexuality exists too. Thus the word transgender
Not disagreeing about the use of the word, just erasing a teaching moment. Fair enough regarding the editing choice though
And yet it’s still the most upvoted comment, keeping a slur up that hurts many trans people, but sure the teaching moment is more important than being inaccurate and insulting, but keep patting yourself on the back.
They have a whole
fantasyconspiracy they’ve cooked up where we’re sneaking in to women’s restrooms to do human trafficking and dark web revenge porn and shit.
