• Hawanja@lemmy.worldOP
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    3 months ago

    Yeah. Organize politically and vote in a candidate who then represents me and passes laws for stuff that I like.

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      3 months ago

      How well is that working?

      Organizing and voting are fine, but when there are two candidates who support genocide, and none who supports universal healthcare, which one do you suppose represents you?

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            3 months ago

            Yeah me voting against the fascists is protecting them while you doing jack shit is opposing them. That sure makes sense.

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                3 months ago

                I know that you’ve utterly failed to dismantle imperialism, supplant capitalism, and get any meaningful political gains whatsoever in the last 40 years.
                Some of us don’t have time to wait around for you people to get your imaginary revolution off the ground. We would like to see change within our lifetime please.

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        3 months ago

        How well is that working?

        Lol. What gains have any communist/socialist movements in this country actually made, in the last 30 years? Which laws have gotten passed? Which candidates have been elected? Which cities or states have abandoned coporatisim and started dismantling the polcie state? Where’s the co-ops and collectives that are supposed to be supplanting capitalism? Don’t make me laugh.

        Organizing and voting are fine, but when there are two candidates who support genocide, and none who supports universal healthcare, which one do you suppose represents you?

        Maybe the one who isn’t planning to suspend future elections and become a dictator for life? https://www.themirror.com/news/politics/breaking-trump-says-election-should-1601480??23

        “They had the worst president, did the worst job. They have the worst policy,” Trump said, referring to the Democratic Party. “We >have to even run against these people.”

        He continued by suggesting that the election could be canceled to stop the Democrats from running. In a sarcastic tone, Trump >said the only reason he won’t directly call for the election to be canceled is that the “fake news” will call him a “dictator” if he >doesn’t allow democracy to run as the Constitution and laws of the land dictate.

        But yeah, I guess punishing democrats is more important than preserving democracy. I mean, you already said you didn’t care, so why am I even bothering?

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              Essentially the entire thread consists of you attacking me for positions I never expressed, and generally your own imagined features of my beliefs and actions.

              In contrast, I never attacked you personally, yet now you pretend to have been victimized.

              Your attitude and your grasp of politics are both profoundly childish and self serving.

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                  3 months ago

                  Keep crying.

                  Keep crying, because a leftist community, in which you chose to post, consists of leftists who discuss leftism.

                  You are not on the front lines fighting fascism. You vote once a year, at most, for a party that is barely less fascist than its pretend antagonist, and you spend the rest of your time pointing fingers and playing victim.

                  Keep crying out your straw man about someone else not “participating in the political process”.

                  Keep crying, but cry elsewhere, alongside your fellow pro-genocide liberals.

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                    3 months ago

                    Struck a nerve there, huh?

                    Keep crying, because a leftist community, in which you chose to post, consists of leftists who discuss leftism.

                    Lol why do you think I’m posting here, smarty pants. Obviously many of my views overlap with leftists. I just think this idea that you can make meaningful change in a government and society without participating in the political process is horseshit, which it is.

                    ou are not on the front lines fighting fascism. You vote once a year, at most, for a party that is barely less fascist than its pretend antagonist, and you spend the rest of your time pointing fingers and playing victim.

                    So what are you doing to fight fascism? Standing around, holding a sign? Blocking traffic so all the people you made late to work end up hating your movement? Letting cops beat you up and kill you so the corporate media can censor that footage, the chuds can make fun of you online, and nobody ends up caring? I mean if this method was so damn effective why the hell do the fascists have a trifecta in our government now?

                    Keep crying, but cry elsewhere, alongside your fellow pro-genocide liberals.

                    Once again, me participating the in the political process and voting in no way makes me “pro-genocide.” In fact I can frame it that you, by sitting on your lazy ass like a chump, allowed the fascists to win the election and the genocide to occur by your inaction.

                    Of course you fail to acknowledge this becuase you’re so dishonest you seriously refuse to admit that none of this shit would be happening if Kamala Harris were elected. That’s the most disengenious shit ever and proves nothing you say should be taken seriously.

                    Keep crying out your straw man about someone else not “participating in the political process”.

                    I’m sure the hundreds of thousands of families that have been ruined by Trump’s ICE brownshirts appreciate your contention that voting against fascists somehow supports fascists.

                    Please go outside and wave a sign around, that’ll show’em.