I remember being outraged by that, not only by the evilness, but also about how easy it is to disprove.
As I said back then:
Empathy is one of society’s greatest strengths, when people fall down, others will help them up, enabling them to keep contributing to society later, this creates a flexible but strong society.
A society without empathy is a brittle society, it doesn’t bend, when someone falls down, they are left behind, and the society loses their their experience and future contributions, creating cracks. Eventually these cracks will break an unempathic society.
You can even claim that empathy is a form of selfishness, by helping other’s you make sure that there are other’s around that can help you.
I don’t think it is intentional. Sociopaths are unable to simulate another emotional state in their mind, thus they have problems predicting emotions, even their own future emotional state. All they can do is to project their own emotions onto others.
I always kind of liked the take that empathy is self serving. You’re kind and compassionate to others because it makes you feel good to do so. People without empathy are just less of a person for the lack of it.
I don’t understand the perspective you’re coming-from.
True empathy is where one totally-understands another’s experience/perspective, & one “is one with” their condition/experiencing.
It isn’t that it makes you feel good to do that, or even to be able to do that: it’s just wired in, an innate-muscle of mind ( the mirror-neuron system, which seems to be broken in psychopaths ).
Why would being pierced by another’s grieving make one feel good to be doing?
Empathy is absolutely not inherent. It is a learned skill and not even most people have it. But either way it should be obvious how being able to better relate to those you socialize with would be beneficial to you.
Source for that? Buddy sociopathy is an anti-social dysfunction because we are evolutionarily social animals. Sociopathy is counter to that evolutionary paradigm hence dysfunction, not standard operating procedure.
On the other hand we’re incredibly tribalistic, from anthropology and sociology we learn the average person only really has the capacity to personally care for about a hundred people, and we generally automatically empathize to some degree with that specific in-group. But we do not automatically empathize with those not in our in-group. If we did, we wouldn’t be tribalistic to the degree that we are and issues like caste systems or racial discrimination wouldn’t be the incredibly prominent issues they still are today.
Genuine empathy, the ability to conceptualize and more or less “feel” the emotions from the contextual lived experiences of others, is absolutely a learned trait. I think you’re confusing empathy with sympathy which is very different. Anyone can feel sympathetic, but if all humans were inherently empathetic then war wouldn’t exist. It couldn’t by virtue of everyone being able to experience empathetically the utter horror of war.
God it was 6-8 months ago I think? Some MAGA pastor ass hat wrote a book about it saying empathy was a sin because it led people to not hate gay people basically and all the the fuck nuggets picked it up
“The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy.” Elon Musk, 2020
I remember being outraged by that, not only by the evilness, but also about how easy it is to disprove.
As I said back then:
Empathy is one of society’s greatest strengths, when people fall down, others will help them up, enabling them to keep contributing to society later, this creates a flexible but strong society.
A society without empathy is a brittle society, it doesn’t bend, when someone falls down, they are left behind, and the society loses their their experience and future contributions, creating cracks. Eventually these cracks will break an unempathic society.
You can even claim that empathy is a form of selfishness, by helping other’s you make sure that there are other’s around that can help you.
TL;DR: Elon lacks basic logic.
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I don’t think it is intentional. Sociopaths are unable to simulate another emotional state in their mind, thus they have problems predicting emotions, even their own future emotional state. All they can do is to project their own emotions onto others.
Elon lacks empathy. If you don’t have empathy it’s like some magic fairy miracle stuff, and you don’t understand it. So you hate it.
HE does however claim to be logical, he obviously isn’t, but he claims to.
ideological is a kind of logic.
So is prejudice.
So are other “religions”.
All of them are imprint->reaction programmings.
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I always kind of liked the take that empathy is self serving. You’re kind and compassionate to others because it makes you feel good to do so. People without empathy are just less of a person for the lack of it.
I don’t understand the perspective you’re coming-from.
True empathy is where one totally-understands another’s experience/perspective, & one “is one with” their condition/experiencing.
It isn’t that it makes you feel good to do that, or even to be able to do that: it’s just wired in, an innate-muscle of mind ( the mirror-neuron system, which seems to be broken in psychopaths ).
Why would being pierced by another’s grieving make one feel good to be doing?
Honest empathy isn’t self-serving.
It is overwhelming.
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Empathy is absolutely not inherent. It is a learned skill and not even most people have it. But either way it should be obvious how being able to better relate to those you socialize with would be beneficial to you.
Empathy is dependent-on mirror-neuron-system: without that working, you’re a psychopath, from what I can see.
The more mirror-neuron-function, the greater the pressure to be in empathy.
Claiming that it’s a learned-skill to me seems backwards:
sociopathy’s a learned-skill, culturally.
Empathy’s the natural-default.
Show me a chimp-mom not having empathy for her baby/toddler…
It’s non-empathy which has to be enforced, at the whole-population scale, to change/imprint/configure that population.
The people who after being in the Soviet Union said things like “we weren’t sociopathic, before”, back this.
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Source for that?
Source for that? Buddy sociopathy is an anti-social dysfunction because we are evolutionarily social animals. Sociopathy is counter to that evolutionary paradigm hence dysfunction, not standard operating procedure.
On the other hand we’re incredibly tribalistic, from anthropology and sociology we learn the average person only really has the capacity to personally care for about a hundred people, and we generally automatically empathize to some degree with that specific in-group. But we do not automatically empathize with those not in our in-group. If we did, we wouldn’t be tribalistic to the degree that we are and issues like caste systems or racial discrimination wouldn’t be the incredibly prominent issues they still are today.
Genuine empathy, the ability to conceptualize and more or less “feel” the emotions from the contextual lived experiences of others, is absolutely a learned trait. I think you’re confusing empathy with sympathy which is very different. Anyone can feel sympathetic, but if all humans were inherently empathetic then war wouldn’t exist. It couldn’t by virtue of everyone being able to experience empathetically the utter horror of war.
This is what happens when you build a system that rewards narcissism and psychopathy.
Don’t forget machiavellianism: the WHOLE DarkTriad is selected-for, by politics & concentration-of-wealth-archy, both…
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How would he ever have empathy? He has never suffered a day in his life. He probably can’t even imagine what it’s like
well that’s the thing innit. empathy implies the ability to feel and connect to another person regardless of shared experience.
Remember when all the right wing “Christians” were spouting about the “sin of empathy?”
Seriously?
When?
That should be on banners, identifying them as being the enemies of their Christian Holy Spirit.
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God it was 6-8 months ago I think? Some MAGA pastor ass hat wrote a book about it saying empathy was a sin because it led people to not hate gay people basically and all the the fuck nuggets picked it up
I think it is more the other way around. The world is a scary place if you cannot predict other peoples or your own emotional state.