Last week’s temporary law enforcement surge operation netted arrests of 71 suspects, the recovery of 145 stolen vehicles and the seizure of four crime-linked firearms, the governor’s office said. There were $60,000 worth of stolen electronics recovered, and one of the four firearms seized was a ghost gun, CHP said.
Suspects were arrested for charges including auto theft, drug possession, felony gun possession, possession of stolen property, DUI and outstanding warrants. Cases will go to the Alameda County District Attorney’s Office for prosecution, according to the governor’s office.
I’m deeply conflicted because I believe ACAB (to a point) but also Oakland has not felt terribly safe since the pan. The downtown area has declined as many professionals are wfh, allowing the once-busy area to feel empty and deserted. I discovered an amazing sandwich shop only about three weeks before they went out of business. My partner befriended someone right before they moved cities because they felt unsafe.
This doesn’t have to conflict with acab.
- This only happened because police ignored their duties for a prolonged period.
- There’s no mention of how many people were killed or beaten in the process of this surge.
- Police only try to create positive news when they absolutely have to, after the surge enforcement can be nonexistent again.
I’m deeply conflicted because I believe ACAB (to a point) but also Oakland has not felt terribly safe since the pan.
Doesn’t need to be conflict. The Oakland police department can remain deeply troubled, but a monopoly on force by bastards is better than a dozen organizations run by bastards exercising force freely.
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I think we can address systems as systems and individuals as individuals.
There are, of course, good human beings who work as cops. I think they do so in spite of the system not because of it.
I recently recovered stolen property and there were cops who really cared and worked tirelessly to help and there were cops who couldn’t care less and would have been no help had my wife not solved the case for them.
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It is directly relevant because they’re saying ACAB = “the institution of policing is fundamentally corrupt as organized in the US.” and not that ACAB means literally all cops are individually bastards.
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Then maybe a private message is more appropriate than posting on a public forum where other people are allowed to comment. If you’re so concerned about other people being involved I don’t know why you decided to do it in this space.
OP literally opened with “I’m deeply conflicted.”
Whatever, dude. This is a ridiculous conversation, because it’s clear the comment section is dominated by people who are responding specifically to OP’s ridiculous personalized monologue, and OP clearly has no interest in responding to anyone. I don’t give a fuck anymore.
the CBD is basically dead in many cities. too little too late
I’m deeply conflicted because I believe ACAB (to a point) but also…
This is the problem with the ACAB idea. No matter how well functioning a society is, there will be crime. In order for that society to function, there needs to be an organization which investigates crimes and brings suspected criminals in to face an impartial justice system. A society which lacks any sort of justice system will quickly break down into vigilantism and tit-for-tat violence. While it’s not necessary that the State be the one who employs this force, other options are going to have some insurmountable problems. For example, you could have private groups which investigate crimes and apprehend suspects. But, this then leads to issues of payment for these forces and favoritism. Imagine every corporation having it’s own security force running around enforcing whatever version of “the law” their management decides to enforce. I really don’t want to have to have a subscription to Amazon Prime Police. We could try to shift this to large, non-profit organizations, but this is still going to run into issues of how the organization is managed. In the end, policing is a natural place for the State to fill a need which shouldn’t be focused on profit. And, assuming the State is reasonably representative of the people, this allows The People to have control over that force. Of course, State run police isn’t a panacea to prevent problems. We’ve got plenty of them in the US to demonstrate that. But, the idea of a society without the State running the criminal investigation is utopian fantasy.
For a thought experiment. Let’s imagine a society without a State run criminal investigation force (i.e. a police force). I’m a horrible person from a family of horrible people. One day I decide I don’t like something you said, so I beat your skull in. To whom does your grieving family turn to, to investigate and prosecute me for my actions? Maybe the military. Then we just have policing from a non-specialized force, it’s a police force in all but name. And it also has issues with a military style response in situations where such a response is wholly inappropriate. Do they turn to the community at large? Mob justice isn’t new and this has been a historic solution. For active pursuit of criminals, there might be a Hue and Cry. But, what if the crime isn’t detected until later? Mob justice also has some major issues with unfairly targeting the innocent and marginalized groups. Does your family just take action on it’s own? This “worked” for the Hatfield and McCoy families. There just isn’t a good solution which doesn’t eventually boil down to a State or community run police force.
I don’t want to defend individual cops. There are some pretty horrible ones on the books in the US. If you feel the need to write “your fucked” on the dust cover of your firearm, you shouldn’t be a cop. And that’s one of the major issues with policing in the US. For many areas there is neither the perception nor the actuality of accountability. For a police force to function, it needs the trust of the people, and that’s all kinds of broke in the US. That ACAB is even a thing demonstrates that quite clearly. Policing in the US needs a reset. The originall Peelian Principals would be a damned good place to start. But, entrenched interests and stupid policies (see: the war on drugs) make this a near impossibility. I don’t have answers. But I will say that ACAB isn’t it. So, don’t feel bad about “betraying” that idea. It’s lazy thinking which doesn’t solve anything and is divorced from reality. Instead we have a lot of hard thinking and hard work to do to fix policing in the US.
You don’t even need a thought experiment. The hard data is there. Police in my are, for example, cut enforcement by more than 60% back during the pandemic. Crime and civil violations shot through the roof to the point of chaos. I don’t remember the exact number, but it got bad, ignore the fact we already have some of the highest gun crimes in the country… They finally stepped up enforcement a bit the middle of last year and crime dropped measurably, but it is still higher than 2017-2018.
I am sure this has been a familiar thing across many cities.
Good first step. Next, recall Pamela Price.
