• ShakyPerception@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        while I do completely agree with Apple depressing lack of any innovation recently, until modern foldable phones become commonplace, there is only so much you can do with a brick of glass.

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        That’s kind of a dumb way to make the point. Innovation isn’t necessarily apparent in a photo with no context or information. A bronze sword and a steel sword still both look like swords, but there a huge technological difference between them.

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            Your implied point was that there wasn’t any innovation, but there was, by your own admission above.

            Don’t shift the goalposts by latching onto an analogy I made. The fact is that the technology has progressed quite quickly over the timespan represented in those pictures, and that fact underscores what’s wrong with the post you were responding to - it wasn’t a handful of rich folk that did it, it was the work of hundreds of thousands of people around the world. You had a much better point to make than the one you did.

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        1 year ago

        Hey, they came up with some interesting colours no one has used in 80 years.

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      No, but it takes a person to control a company. A Person to direct the goals of a company. So I guess Tim Apple is somewhat involved if there is innovation or not.

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        That’s a good point. You must have a really smart boss to come up with ideas like that.

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        No it doesn’t. Worker-owned co-ops exist. Didn’t you say you’re in Germany? You should know all about that.

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              In the last link it literally says: “These comparatively low wages can make it very difficult to recruit managers from investor-owned firm”

              These concepts only work in relatively small companies. And first off all, this company might be ranked relatively high in Spain, but it still is just Spain.

              Further, to my understanding, the group could be actually described as multiple smaller companies housed under a big one. So that explains that party.

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                I’m just fascinated with how brains like yours work. Assuming any of this is in good faith, that is.

                It’s like you just refuse to accept new information that may change how you view things. You’re so resistant to admitting (to yourself, it seems) that you might be wrong, that your brain has “mechanisms” for making sure you never even have to consider the possibility.

                Every single point anyone makes, you are able to come up with some “counter” that, in your mind, confirms that you’ve always been right (it doesn’t), and everyone who’s arguing with you is just trying to trick you into admitting you were wrong, or that you learned something.

                It can never just be, “hey I didn’t know that about my country, that’s interesting. Maybe I should reconsider…” Because, you know, Germany has been the most financially successful EU nation basically since he inception of the Union, so your counter that worker stake in companies doesn’t work is not based in reality. They’re fucking thriving. You (allegedly) live there, my guy. Learn about why your own country is so successful.

                The lengths you will go to avoid learning something new or admitting you might have been wrong about something… Like it’s protecting itself from new information. It’s fascinating.

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                  I’m just fascinated with how brains like yours work. Assuming any of this is in good faith, that is.

                  I am a connoisseur of discussion. A man who enjoys discourse. But indeed what I stated are my firm beliefs. And those beliefs have not yet failed me.

                  It’s like you just refuse to accept new information that may change how you view things.

                  It always depends on the information. Some information just has less weight to it.

                  You’re so resistant to admitting (to yourself, it seems) that you might be wrong, that your brain has “mechanisms” for making sure you never even have to consider the possibility.

                  Now I feel like I’ve been put on the spot. This might apply on some of my standpoints. But none so far in our discussion here.

                  Every single point anyone makes, you are able to come up with some “counter” that, in your mind, confirms that you’ve always been right (it doesn’t),

                  Oh, just because the Information I have given, does not convince you or support your standpoint, doesn’t make it invalid. I’d like to pull up the Infinite Monkey Theorem at this point. A few false informations can also lead to the correct outcome. But now I have lost the thread.

                  and everyone who’s arguing with you is just trying to trick you into admitting you were wrong, or that you learned something.

                  And are you not trying to prove me wrong? Is it not, that you claim my standpoints to be somewhat flawed, and yours must be the ultimate ratio?

                  It can never just be, “hey I didn’t know that about my country, that’s interesting. Maybe I should reconsider…”

                  I do reconsider when it’s to my benefit. But as said before, my standpoints have yet to fail me.

                  Because, you know, Germany has been the most financially successful EU nation basically since he inception of the Union, so your counter that worker stake in companies doesn’t work is not based in reality. They’re fucking thriving.

                  Average wealth per person in Germany is lower than in Italy or Greece. some german article to back up my claims Germany are not thriving. The German government is thriving.

                  You (allegedly) live there, my guy. Learn about why your own country is so successful.

                  Because it has the highest and second highest taxes in many sectors. And the government uses this money to influence other countries to their benefit. My people are not thriving. I wished for a concept similar to Switzerland. Still high taxes, but the money stays in the country without attempts to control European politics.

                  The lengths you will go to avoid learning something new or admitting you might have been wrong about something… Like it’s protecting itself from new information. It’s fascinating.

                  From my standpoint of course, this is the opposite standpoint.