cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/68752761 which was cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/64103917
I thought about saying “you know it’s a grift when they collect personal information and leak it.” According to their Bible, you don’t need an app to pray. They say church (or a covenant, I forget, it’s been 30+ years since I read the KJV) is when any two people come together to talk about Jesus (sorry!). So, where does an app fit in? And why does that app need your personally identifiable information (referred to as PII in industry). Wouldn’t an all-knowing God already have it?
But you don’t have to know it’s a grift… I feel like this is proof the Vatican (or whoever made this app on their behalf, and thus speak on their behalf… and the Pope allegedly speaks on God’s behalf) themselves know it’s a grift. Because why would they need your PII?
I know, fools and their money are soon parted… just saw this on /all and figured the Fediverse’s top Atheism comm should have it.
But without detailed reports? You just take them at their word?
You believe god is all-powerful, yes? And you believe this is how he chooses to interact with us?
He has many ways of interacting with us
How do you know? Everything you’ve shown so far is natural phenomena and humans making shit up.
Why do you pretend there is a god?
People are dying for your mistakes.
who created the natural phenomena?
Why are you assuming it was created by someone? There is no evidence to suggest that.
If god doesn’t need a first cause, why does the universe?
If the universe needs a first cause, why doesn’t god?
All you have is special pleading and god of the gaps.
Those are fallacies, not evidence.
Because God and the universe are not equal. They are of different natures entirely. I mean omnipotence IS hard to comprehend for us since we’re human
We have evidence for the universe. We have no evidence for god.
Based on your arbitrary, inconsistent definition of “nature”.
It’s pretty easy: if an omnipotent being existed, they could do anything. They would need nothing. So if an omnipotent being exists, and suffering exists, it is because that omnipotent being wants that suffering to exist.
It’s not love. It’s a death cult.
You keep going backwards. You assert things about god and then you pretend there are reasons to believe it. If we go ground-up from what we can sense, no god ever enters the picture. There is no reason to assume his existence.
How many genes must be different for two beings to have different natures? Or how is it defined, how is it measured? You’re drawing lines arbitrarily and pretending to know things no person can know.
Why did god write such a shitty book? Why are none of his miracles clearly documented? He must not be trying very hard to convince anyone that he is actually there. All evidence suggests that humans invented god.
We do
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/index.cfm?id=35071 Here is the definition.
It was written by humans, inspired by God. They are. Show me the evidence.
Stop telling deadly lies. There is absolutely no evidence for god. You have not provided any, you only have fallacies.
“The essence of a being considered as the principle of activity.” So you and I have different natures.
“Also the substance of a thing as distinguished from its properties, considered as the source of its operations.” This is nonsense. Do you have an example?
“In contrast with God, it is the created universe. In contrast to the life and operations of divine grace, it is that to which a human person has claim, as creature, as distinct from a share in God’s own life, which is the supernatural.”
This makes no sense. Nothing is supernatural. How do you determine what the opposite of a nature is? What is the opposite of human nature, if we pretend that exists for a moment?
If you are pretending the bible was written by god, then why does it contain mistakes?
If you are admitting that it was written by humans, why should we believe any of it?
Humans wrote the bible. You even admitted that. But then you added the completey unproven and ridiculous claim that it was inspired by god.
It contains blatant contradictions with itself and our reality. Example: what year was Jesus born?
Do rabbits chew cud?
Do you actually believe the world was made in 6-7 days? If so, in what order? Genesis 2 contradicts Genesis 1. Why did god write such an unbelievable book if we’re supposed to believe it? He’s not all powerful, clearly. Your bullshit about “humans can’t understand omnipotence”… Humans can understand language. Humans can understand what we can sense. So why is god unable to communicate with no errors?
Do you believe that I am going to hell for being honest, for having intellectual integrity? Your god is an abuser.
You are defending a death cult.
People are dying for you.
Please. Think.
Stop making bullshit excuses and start relying on the reality we share. Anything less makes you a murderer.