Just to make it clear: I do not believe this and I am convinced good old human greed is what’s really driving the ai and data-center insanity. Also, LLMs are not and will never become AGI.
Having said that: if an artificial super-intelligence were to emerge, building more data-centers could well be one of it’s primary goals. Since it wouln’t be concerned with consequences for the environment or humanity, it could pursue this at any cost, with only speed and scale in mind. Convincing financial markets and business elites of the necessity of such a buildout would be the ideal way of achieving results. In this scenario, fighting this buildout by any means would be the only sensible response and of utmost importance.
It’s a somewhat funny, somewhat depressing thought for me and I literally had it in the shower. Surely I can’t be the first to come up with this, but I also can’t remember having read it before.
How can you have awareness of time if you have no memory of 1 second ago?
Perception of time is part of memory that “now” is different than it was 1 second ago.
Time, as experienced by a human is a product of sensory processing and memory. Short term and working memory. There is bit of research on manipulating the perception of time by different tasks and events.
https://www.popsci.com/how-time-seems-to-stop/
It’s the experience of change.
This is why the speed of time can be altered based on tasks and attention.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronostasis
Time , as defined by physics , is its own thing independent of an animal’s perception of time.
Like how vision is from light. But light is not vision.
We do have a circadian rhythm. So do all animals.
This is an internal clock that regulates the body.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_perception
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm
Likewise , basic small time tracking appears to be largely done by the brain stem, limbic system, but probably the cerebellum. But not the cortex (higher function brain regions)
It is generally believed “consciousness” is a process of the cortex as this is where complex cognitive tasks are done.
“Experiments have shown that rats can successfully estimate a time interval of approximately 40 seconds, despite having their cortex entirely removed.[25] This suggests that time estimation may be a low-level process.[26]”
There is also a human disorder where the loss of time estimate ability can occur. Not completely independent of memory disorders. Short term memory is impaired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyschronometria
Yep. Like you said/contradicted yourself. You don’t need memory to perceive time.
Two forms of time perception.
But my point was memory is impaired in all forms except the one only measuring tracking estimates. Because you won’t have any higher brain function with a cortex removed so they can’t evaluate autobiographical memory because it won’t exist.
And making short time estimates is done by the brain stem.
Even with no cortex. Likely because circadian rhythm is somewhat controlled from brain stem.
No cortex makes one essentially brain dead in many ways. No language. No sensory processing. No vision hearing or touch perception. No internal thoughts. Nothing. (Look up "default mode network, and why internal thoughts won’t exist without a cortex).
Brain stem mostly regulates things like heart beat and breathing.
I understand your point, and I consider it irrelevant. One of those fun side effects of having me define consciousness twice, and never contesting either definition directly…only indirectly implying that consciousness requires a human brain.
Okay but my point was you would say someone has consciousness when they are without any higher brain function and lacking a cortex.
And, someone with their higher cortex but a damaged cerebellum, who is no longer able to track time, would not be conscious, by your definition.
I mean if that’s your definition then you are welcome to it.
I don’t know of any theories of consciousness that consider the tracking of time to be what counts. 🤷. Because of the two examples I give.
Yep.
Like I said at the beginning. My first definition of consciousness is “a word meaningless enough to mean what you want, while still sounding like a serious person having a serious conversation”.
Here is a list of your mistakes:
On the other hand, you don’t seem stupid. Try joining a debate club at the local college, learn some fundamentals of rhetoric, and things will go much better for you in the future.
Edit: theories of consciousness are just as BS as theories of teapots orbiting Uranus, as they are unfalsifiable without arbitrary constraints.
Edit2: also, I should point out that having defined consciousness as ‘awareness of the passage of time’ after mentioning stimulus-response, I was pretty clearly setting up an argument that literally everything is conscious. That’s why you should not have let me define the terms, and brought your own definition that I would have had to argue against.