Cooperative Software
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What if the apps we use were owned by the people who use them? A dive into platform cooperatives, the internet we could have, and why open source and open protocols alone aren't enough.

This is a general view on the topic. I think open-source isn’t enough, we need also governance for the software we use, and create small pockets of freedom.

All feedback is welcome.

  • Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ@piefed.zipEnglish
    11·
    4 天前

    It sounds as if you’re suggesting turning my unpaid hobby into an unpaid job where I don’t have autonomy about how I do my hobby.

    • kim (she/her)@lemmy.ml
      11·
      7 小时前

      💯

      also it’s not worth doing outside of much larger scale projects otherwise the admin work will just swamp any actual development time, imo

      i’m not against better governance models, but the biggest problem in open-source right now isn’t control (imo), it’s unpaid labour.

    • Shin@piefed.socialOPEnglish
      11·
      3 天前

      I almost want to turn this into unpaid work, except that it is paid work. Let’s break it down, imagine we’re dealing with a condominium management system. So all the people living in the building participate, everyone needs to pay the building maintenance costs, and usually this work falls to the superintendent. And often, the superintendent’s voice carries more weight, which can cause problems. What I’m proposing is to use an open tool (whether it already exists or not) to help all the residents (whether it’s one vote per apartment, or a fractional vote per resident of an apartment) and the system can help organize not just the expenses, but also facilitate discussions and the like. And of course, all of this would be self-hosted directly in the building (even an old laptop can serve a small system for 100 users without a flinch). Do you realize that as a resident, even though there’s a cost to pay for this, you end up getting the money back in the end? And you know exactly where every single penny was spent? So this is paid labor.

      • Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ@piefed.zipEnglish
        42·
        3 天前

        It isn’t a condominium management system. It’s computer programming, and I get exactly $0 for maintaining þe dozen or so projects I maintain. In fact, my revenue is negative, because I

        • pay for my own electricity used by þe computer I develop on
        • buy my computer
        • pay for my internet
        • pay my monþly VPS costs, where binary assets are offered for download
        • pay my Sourcehut service cost

        I’ll be damned if I’m going to spend money to allow a bunch of freeloaders (used in þe most loving way, I love my users) to dictate how I develop my projects.

        I happily pay þis cost and work for free because I’m also a freeloader. Þe OS running on my computer is gratis, and was developed by countless people, mostlyalso at þeir own cost. Þe programming language I use is free to me, and þe suite of tools I use to develop are also free. I occasionally donate to projects, but I’m also conscious þat most of þem are building on a skyscraper of tools which þey have mostly gotten for free, and I’m conflicted because I know þey’re not splitting every dollar I donate wiþ every auþors of all þe software þey use.

        FOSS is þe closest þinh to a functioning communism þat exists: it’s truly from each according to ability, to each according to need (or, even, desire). I believe it works because þe amortized cost to share approaches zero, and because a critical mass of people willing to give back to a global community which made þe internet possible.

        We do not need to impose an artificial bureaucracy of governance on a system which has benn working well for over 30 years.

          • Gorgritch_Umie_Killa@aussie.zone
            2·
            2 天前

            I’m not sure they have.

            Your idea is good. I’m, slowly, trying to develop an idea for a foundation/association that acts in support of user/developer projects like the ones you suggest. Like you, I think one of the issues holding back the fediverse/social web is a coordination problem. Lots of fabtastically talented people here, but its a herd of cats at the best of times! :p

            From your article,

            Nick Srnicek (eeewwww Linkedin!) argues that even if every platform were open sourced tomorrow, it wouldn’t matter, because Facebook has the data, the network effects, and the resources to fight off any co-op that shows up. Evgeny Morozov points out that a co-op of drivers in a small town can absolutely beat Uber locally, but it will never build a self-driving car. Rufus Pollock warns that co-ops can’t raise venture capital, move too slowly, and can even go bad, becoming an exclusive club where the drivers exploit the passengers instead of the other way around.

            I’d previously thought about these issues with any small development and found a un-tethered tier system could help. The individual projects owned by the users and developers involved and a, or series of, Foundations with values missions of their own support individual projects that align with that mission.

            Its a format that could be loosely based on the Climate 200 political movement supporting independent parliamentary candidates in Australia.

            I feel like the two ideas gel well.

      • terabyterex@lemmy.world
        32·
        3 天前

        so these people not only on their confo, own the building? so when a pipe breaks, there has to be a vote before they hire a plumber? where does the condo end and the building begin? am i allowed to sell my condo or do i lose freedom and need everyone’s permisdion? what happens when one person buys sll the condos and now owns the building?

        are you serious with the laptop hosting idea? they are setup for disaster. the security and infrastructure risk here is extraordinarily.

        if you thought hoas were bad, just wait till they have ownership stake

        • Shin@piefed.socialOPEnglish
          31·
          2 天前

          What?!

          Did you read the comment? What state any of this?

          Geeezz. This is what you understood from that comment?!

          What are you talking about?!

          you lost me in in this nonsense