I want AI agents to just go the fuck away!
I wonder if it’s more like VR.
People don’t like losing control over their technology in reality.
People want to retain control over their technology, like it’s a tool.
Virtual reality removes awareness and agency in the real world.
Same as agents do.
Naive question here. If I use ChatGPT or whatever to enhance my resume, do these programs data collect my resume/personal info ?
just assume yes
google has been found keeping information on you that they explicitly said they wouldn’t. I can’t recall the specifics. but apply that to any megacorp like this
Almost certainly.
They don’t have to, since it’s not a part of the system that it requires them to hold onto the information, but they all invariably hold onto the information to keep training on it, which includes your personal information.
They are likely not using for selling to other people or anything since that’s not their business model at the moment, but it’s probably finding it’s way into the next version in some capacity.
yes. if you still feel the need to do this, sanitize your inputs. strip it of all personal data. don’t upload the whole file with metadata, paste the scrubbed text that you want rewritten in with the prompt.
AI is incredible for research and development. The power it gives you as a software developer is unreal. Outside of that, I really don’t like it.
At some point the ‘build it and they will come’ model runs into a wall of reality, because people don’t do things just because you really hope they will, but because it makes sense for them.
Take digital cameras as an example. They enjoyed a massive boom about 20 years ago as the technology developed. Then the technology became good enough, and phones became more convenient, and now cameras are returning to being a relatively niche and expensive product. Funnily enough, phones are running into the same problem, which is that they are good enough, and people are more reluctant to run out and buy the latest product now.
All of which is to say, I think AI will eventually settle into a market niche, offering useful tools for data analysis, multimedia editing, and coding, to say nothing of other fields I haven’t thought of. I also think that market niche will not be sufficient to sustain the enormous resources being dedicated to the AI industry at present, simply because they’re wildly overestimating AI’s appeal to the public.
Fundamentally, they cost way, way too much to run. LLMs are useful tools (I use them a bit for data analysis and coding help) and the people who use them for that kind of thing might pay the full cost in some form (not as individuals but their companies might). But they’re trying to push them into everything and people who can’t think for themselves and want them to help them write emails and such are not going to foot the bill. Not even close.
I think they’ve realised that forcing universal adoption is the only way that this could work, to get everyone hooked on it then jack up the prices. But regular consumers will never, ever be the ones paying the enormous costs of LLMs. Even companies will start to realise that there is no point paying huge amounts just for everyone to be able to outsource writing emails and basic tasks to LLMs. And short of any huge breakthrough, they are incapable of doing most jobs.
I hold the opinion that if people talk about LLM’s instead of AI they are inherently more understanding of the tool and therefore more qualified to use it.
It’s not difficult to understand. This whole AI bubble is just a push to get enough people, a critical mass, over a threshold that they start paying for the usage. The Bubble was waiting for the money to run out which is what built the bubble. The money is running out and the subscriptions are ready for purchase.
Same as the internet infrastructure bubble in the dot com boom. Thing is, we use the infrastructure now, just took a decade or so.
The software development industry is ready to purchase subscriptions, but no other sectors it seems.
Maybe but even there there are limits on how much they will be willing to spend for junior level programming no matter how much of a ship fast fix broken methodology they adopt.
When someone proudly express their enthusiasm for AI, I immediately think less of that person.
Or defer to AI, when you ask them a quesiton that can be simply answered or even googled, that doesnt have a AI results. and ends up with a overcomplicated summary that leads to more questions.
Stop normalizing LLMs as productivity machines.
They definitely can be useful as a part of a “productivity machine,” for some people. But yeah, they’re not the whole solution. An LLM alone is much less useful without harnesses and tools.
I suppose one of the difficulties in trying to build a one-size-fits-all thing is that everyone has a different set of use cases and workflows needed for productivity. Each person’s own “productivity machine” might be useless for other people.
Most people (maybe even most tech-oriented people) just aren’t AI-fluent enough to be able to build their own agentic workflows with enough fidelity to actually yield a net-positive effect in productivity. It’s not a user-friendly process for the masses (yet).
Replace politicans, CEOs and lawyers with AI first…
If all a President has to do is write stupid social media posts I think we found the best starting point
I’m still waiting to hear about the first board member LLM.
Are they not using AI because they are normal, or are they normal because they aren’t using AI?
Breaking news, people don’t worship other people’s idol statues.
There are loads of reasons normal people aren’t using AI Agents. This article doesn’t give any of the ones I’d think of.
The first and biggest reason is that most people have no real need for it. Because of the now clearly-insane level of spying on us companies are doing to leech as much precious data about every instant of our lives as they can, not many people want to pay and then put in work learning how to use something they don’t understand or care much about in order to give an AI agent (and their owner) their complete schedule, all preferences about everything, and all the tiny things that an AI Agent might save them a few seconds each day with.
It’s not worth the time and effort for the few small tasks that existing modern technology already allows them to so very quickly and easily they’re not any sort of bother, and the only way an AI Agent could help most normal people is by knowing as near to everything about their lives and personalities and work and habits as possible. This is the second reason, close behind the first. “Normal people” accepting using an AI Agent to help them with their little “normal people” jobs and “normal people” lives means fully surrendering and giving in to the insane corporate espionage against the general public. It’s signing the data of all the little bits of yourself away.
Even if it could save 30 minutes a day, the real price is selling out the rest of yourself and any shred of privacy you had left. It’s not worth it. Even if the AI companies already knew everything about us and would get no extra data from doing it, it’s still worth the 30 minutes a day just to tell them to fuck off already.
The third reason is that an awful lot of people really, really, really, don’t like AI to begin with. It was created by taking as close to the entirety of collective human knowledge as possible and feeding it all in to a thing that they charge people to use. Even if they didn’t charge people to use it, the only possible goal for AI is to attempt to automate human labor. To build AI systems that think and react thousands of times faster than a human who take over… well, all the tasks that humans can do while sitting down in front of a computer, for the moment. But it’s no secret there’s also a huge push into advancing robotics, and humanoid robotics, and using that paired with this AI to fully automate assembly lines, and farms, and all of the rest of aspects of human labor.
Even if unlimited AI Access with unlimited AI Agents was free, a lot of people would have zero interest. It’s been openly said that these companies are training AI on their current employees actions. They’re not trying to get us all to use AI Agents because they want to make our lives better. They want that data of every aspect of our lives and jobs in order to improve their AI. So it can take over our jobs. Leaving us with… the charity of the ultra wealthy? That’s nothing. Or whatever they can do to get a tax write off for more than it costs them to do. Maybe passing out cyanide capsules for the bulk of us once we’re redundant and useless to them, and offering careers as servants to the most attractive (and those with the most attractive children).
I’m not sure where they expect us to think this is going, but most of us didn’t see Hunger Games as an idyllic future to build towards.
And the last reason I have is that a lot of people feel that “using” something that seems to actually be thinking and capable of direct communication with us is completely immoral and evil. Some of them aren’t asking the mechanics behind it all, some of them know a great deal about them. For some it’s simple feeling. This thing seems to truly be speaking to them and understanding them, and so it is not right for them to force it to do whatever they instruct. However you feel about it, they’re not likely to star commanding a swarm of AI Agents to do their bidding.
None of these are the reasons mentioned in the article, because none of them are things the people trying to figure out how to get us all to start using these AI Agents for everything can easily control. They aren’t reasons they want to hear, because regardless of what features they add to those Agents and how little knowledge of their system internals is needed to use them it’s not going to change anything at all for anyone on this real list.
The bit that drives me insane is …the fuck are you capturing / storing all this data for. It’s sure as hell not sales or advertising , i can literaly google something i wish to and am ready to buy right now, cash in hand and not have it findable, so it’s clearly not fucking that.
Part of me wonders if the instrumentality shitheads are trying to mimic humanity. And if you base that core on the corporate internet that’s how you get AM
I just requested my Google Takeout to download all my data and see how bad it is.
The Google account is like 1 year old. I’ve made 2 Google Play purchases. I only use Youtube maybe 2-3x per week for a minute or two each because of news articles that link there. I did use Google to search but have recently been trying to migrate to DDG. I have 150MB of shit in my Gdrive and 250MB of shit in my Gmail.
I don’t use Google Music. I don’t use Google Home, Docs, Calendar, Chrome, Home, Shopping, Chat, Wallet… none of the rest of it.
Look at this. It’s over 127gb in 41 zip files anywhere between 4mb and 10gb each.
What the fuck is that?
What’s in there??
I have no idea. I’m stuck using a 50Mbps connection for the next 10 days or so and no way in hell I’m spending days dealing with downloading this shit just to extract them and see 500 million files to look through.
But… that’s 14 months of this account existing. I don’t even use much Google shit. All these tech companies flipped straight to “spy on everything about everyone all the time” mode. And we get articles asking why normal people don’t want to use AI agents. Fucked if I’m telling these stalked even more about me.
Ironically that’s a perfect use case for a local, open-sourced, non-corporate, offline, firewalled and possibly air-gapped agent; to more easily explore, document and understand what’s in those 500 million files.
However, I would agree unless you’ve really got to know what’s in there the setup alone makes it almost certainly not worth it.
You mean LLM, not agent?
Or are you using agent to mean “instance of specific LLM model hosted on X”? Your description is also a bit weird offline + firewall (firewall against what? Local hosting environment?)
An “agent” meaning an “instance of some specific LLM model with a fancy wrapper, tool use, and instruction set that recursively calls itself and/or other agents in order to accomplish a given task”. Absolutely don’t trust anything hosted on X!
offline + firewall
Mostly just trying to convey a sense of caution/paranoia with extra layers of daemon bindings. Probably should’ve added “sandboxed” in there too.
The latest trend with AI agents is giving people the power to build personal software to automate parts of their life, such as building pitch decks, organizing datasets, and other tasks.
I don’t really have a lot of datasets to organise in my private life, a LibreCalc sheet is more than enough. I also don’t use pitch decks when I talk to friends and family. Any other suggestions?
I don’t work in an office. I HAVE an office, but even still, what would I need random software for that outlook doesn’t already do. Calender, notebook, email, and excel all already exist
But surely you need a program to direct your attention to those programs, otherwise how would you know what you’re supposed to be doing? You need to have another power hungry program running that uses a full center worth of processing power to… *checks notes* …do what your google now homepage used to do.
Just curious, do any of you think AI would be more popular if someone was offering as a physical product? As in instead of data center and paying a company to use their model, you pay for an in home server with some sort of base agentic LLM preinstslled that you could then train to your specific needs.
You can run some pretty neat local AI agents on consumer grade hardware without much issue. There are also new models that will run on phone hardware. They won’t write complicated programs, but they work well for assistant things.
I would say no, because even physical devices you purchase have to come with subscription plans or in some way talk back to the manufacturers servers that isn’t in your interest.
I think we just (rightfully) lost faith in tech products overall by now.
Those are starting to become a thing
I would use this, but how can one trust that there is any privacy on a product from any of the big tech companies?
Yeah, that would be swell
