The law requires the OS to ask the age and provide it to applications, not verify the age. Linux can provide the same API with a static value or “no age” signal if needed.
You’re right we should ignore the takeover of technology from our very hands into the paws of oligarchs who will make it unobtainable so they can build their datacenters with it and once all the consumer brands have dried up they will sell us dumb terminal tablets and we will rent all software from them in the cloud, by the month.
I’d ask you to come back and tell me how right I was in say 5-10 years but a) there’s no guarantee they will succeed and b) if they do succeed, none of us will be allowed here in the first place
Seeing this as a conspiracy against Linux users and not just patching badly written state level legislation is tin hat territory. If I’m not on the internet and using Linux in 2036 then I’m dead, and it’s not because I starved in the street after being unable to access my bank account on a Linux.
What does this have to do with an exemption for Linux on a shitty OS-level age attestation law…?
The law is stupid for many reasons, among them being that Linux devs aren’t often even located in CA or subject to its laws, and that people can just lie about their age. Corporate takeover of technology doesn’t really have anything to do with this.
What if an asteroid flies into the Earth and splits it in two?
Edit: I’ll add more now that I can sit down and focus.
Age attestation has existed for longer than I’ve been alive. Every service with an age requirement (must be 18+ to view, must be 13+ to play, must be 8+ with parent permission or 18+ to play, etc) used user attestation. The law is stupid because:
Age attestation doesn’t restrict. It only exists for services to cover their own asses legally.
Age verification would be required to restrict access, but age verification costs money that MS/Apple/Google/etc wouldn’t make back (maybe MS but Android and Mac OS are free).
Linux exists and can bypass it all anyway and often isn’t subject to CA’s laws.
This law isn’t age verification. It’s just politicians being technically illiterate imbeciles.
That’s why I said “Age Verification Authority stamp” versus age attestation. How long before tech giants are able to convince Congress that the only way to keep kids safe is for them to issue certificates following identity verification? It won’t be long before Google phones won’t let you install APKs easily without a dev certificate which requires submitting your information to Google. It’s not farfetched to say. It’s a wet dream for politicians that want to be able to track everyone everywhere, too. How long before motherboards can’t be sold without it? How long before building your own PC isn’t an option? It’s already the norm for most hardware to have closed source code somewhere. That’s generally accepted as something that’s or worth working around except for the most dedicated of free software enthusiasts.
This is all super important shit. Blowing it off like “this is just tech illiteracy” doesn’t do anyone any favors. We aren’t going to be able to fight these things by laughing about it. With that mentality, an asteroid might be the only way to actually stop this shit from happening.
The trend in America is towards a conservative, puritanical, surveillance state. Flock cameras everywhere. Flock execs looking at children’s gymnastics classes in my state, while they say it will help find missing children. Abusers saying it will stop abuse. My state passed a porn ban and has had heartbeat abortion bans. We’re not going to get any wins by blowing this shit off and laughing about it. We’re not going to beat this shit if everyone wants to laugh and think everything is a slippery slope fallacy or just a random bullshit comment.
So what exactly are you saying to do here? Because I already write to my representatives and advocate against these things. The reality is that lawmakers don’t care what people want, only what’s going to make them the most money.
In any case, the point I was making was that this law isn’t age verification, and spending energy fighting against this when you could be battling the myriad actual age verification bills and laws is a waste of energy. In CA, there’s also the 3D printer BS around scanning and blocking print jobs.
There’s also the ALPR issue, data centers, and so on that have shown that representatives would rather put up a democratic facade than actually listen to their constituents.
The law requires the OS to ask the age and provide it to applications, not verify the age. Linux can provide the same API with a static value or “no age” signal if needed.
No, you have to panic now! They’re locking Linux users out of life for vague, unstated reasons!!
You’re right we should ignore the takeover of technology from our very hands into the paws of oligarchs who will make it unobtainable so they can build their datacenters with it and once all the consumer brands have dried up they will sell us dumb terminal tablets and we will rent all software from them in the cloud, by the month.
I’d ask you to come back and tell me how right I was in say 5-10 years but a) there’s no guarantee they will succeed and b) if they do succeed, none of us will be allowed here in the first place
Seeing this as a conspiracy against Linux users and not just patching badly written state level legislation is tin hat territory. If I’m not on the internet and using Linux in 2036 then I’m dead, and it’s not because I starved in the street after being unable to access my bank account on a Linux.
It’s worth pointing out that the GDP of California makes it more like a country. It’s not something that can just be ignored.
Man, this is some Fahrenheit 451 shit, where we’ll be in our “entertainment room” and books will be burned
What does this have to do with an exemption for Linux on a shitty OS-level age attestation law…?
The law is stupid for many reasons, among them being that Linux devs aren’t often even located in CA or subject to its laws, and that people can just lie about their age. Corporate takeover of technology doesn’t really have anything to do with this.
For now. When is it going to need some sort of Age Verification Authority stamp to run?
What if an asteroid flies into the Earth and splits it in two?
Edit: I’ll add more now that I can sit down and focus.
Age attestation has existed for longer than I’ve been alive. Every service with an age requirement (must be 18+ to view, must be 13+ to play, must be 8+ with parent permission or 18+ to play, etc) used user attestation. The law is stupid because:
This law isn’t age verification. It’s just politicians being technically illiterate imbeciles.
That’s why I said “Age Verification Authority stamp” versus age attestation. How long before tech giants are able to convince Congress that the only way to keep kids safe is for them to issue certificates following identity verification? It won’t be long before Google phones won’t let you install APKs easily without a dev certificate which requires submitting your information to Google. It’s not farfetched to say. It’s a wet dream for politicians that want to be able to track everyone everywhere, too. How long before motherboards can’t be sold without it? How long before building your own PC isn’t an option? It’s already the norm for most hardware to have closed source code somewhere. That’s generally accepted as something that’s or worth working around except for the most dedicated of free software enthusiasts.
This is all super important shit. Blowing it off like “this is just tech illiteracy” doesn’t do anyone any favors. We aren’t going to be able to fight these things by laughing about it. With that mentality, an asteroid might be the only way to actually stop this shit from happening.
The trend in America is towards a conservative, puritanical, surveillance state. Flock cameras everywhere. Flock execs looking at children’s gymnastics classes in my state, while they say it will help find missing children. Abusers saying it will stop abuse. My state passed a porn ban and has had heartbeat abortion bans. We’re not going to get any wins by blowing this shit off and laughing about it. We’re not going to beat this shit if everyone wants to laugh and think everything is a slippery slope fallacy or just a random bullshit comment.
So what exactly are you saying to do here? Because I already write to my representatives and advocate against these things. The reality is that lawmakers don’t care what people want, only what’s going to make them the most money.
In any case, the point I was making was that this law isn’t age verification, and spending energy fighting against this when you could be battling the myriad actual age verification bills and laws is a waste of energy. In CA, there’s also the 3D printer BS around scanning and blocking print jobs.
There’s also the ALPR issue, data centers, and so on that have shown that representatives would rather put up a democratic facade than actually listen to their constituents.