Startpage is the duckduck alternative that uses google, its unknown wether they have a contract.
These places are still better then google/bing themselves but people often wrongfully assume that they provide a privacy oriented service.
If you really want to go anticorporate you can host your own searxng, which still by default uses results from google and bing but can be configured to use any on your preference and its code open to verify that they do not give exclusive permission to certain paying corporations.
Using searxng it can happen that some google result could not be retrieved because of api limits… one has to wonder why Startpage does not have those limits.
But even just getting off the main Google search page is huge. So much of this is about adopting a posture of flexibility and taking responsibility for your data to some extent, and which companies you can and can’t tolerate. So just rejecting the convenience of using Google as search is great.
Because now you don’t feel so totally helpless—you’ve got an example of exercising your agency over your “digital life” and you can keep doing it as needed/desired with greater ease.
Main thing to realise is you’re not going to find a drop-in replacement for Google that is some giant centralised search and auth platform strangely super-motivated to reduce friction between you accessing products online.
I did say there still better then the main page but i guess i should have put more emphasis on that.
I know many people irl who are are into computers and use ddg, blindly trusting that there search is fully private while there current search terms are directly used to serve them ads (somehow that does not count as personalized)
Its shades of grey, i am very happy they took agency to get rid of google but I really wish people, at least in the computer sector, where more aware of how far corporate reach goes.
qwant together with ecosia are working on establishing a fully independent search index but at this point it is really in its early days, with ficus on France and Germany.
Sure, duckduckgo dosent have their own web crawlers. Duckduckgo uses someone elses index in this case Microsofts. This dosent mean they sell your data to microsoft or that your search queries fingerprint you the same way as microsoft. They just use microsoft’s big list of websites
They have a long standing corporate deal with microsoft.
The details are vague but this is not hidden, or kept secret.
Ddg has themselves said that the policy that required them to give exclusive acces to Microsoft trackers no longer applied and now blocks them since 2022. This is on the Wikipedia i shared.
But if you read between them lines. They are following Microsoft policies, if they are now allowed to block those trackers its because microslop allowed them to do so.
Tech companies only do such thing if they have incentives. A more covert way to get the same data, a long term plan to acquire and otherwise for PR.
Searxng also uses those same search querys but without corporate deal. Thats why if you refresh a lot you hit an api limit… any search engine that does not do that while using these trackers is somehow paying or bartering for access.
Microsoft does get your data.
This is why i wrote that comment.
Read the wikipedia entry. Microsoft and ddg have a long standing openly known about deal.
Microsoft allows ddg to block bing trackers since 2022, ddg has always allowed them till then. but they must be getting something else to change that policy. No way microsoft is just giving api acces out of being good.
Its getting tired to repeat myself, which are verifiable facts.
You realize that DDG is a commercial company and they use part of the revenue to pay for third-party services they use? Or did you think they just run the service for shits and giggles?
Duckduckgo is backed by microsoft/bing which they have a contract with.
Startpage is the duckduck alternative that uses google, its unknown wether they have a contract.
These places are still better then google/bing themselves but people often wrongfully assume that they provide a privacy oriented service.
If you really want to go anticorporate you can host your own searxng, which still by default uses results from google and bing but can be configured to use any on your preference and its code open to verify that they do not give exclusive permission to certain paying corporations.
Using searxng it can happen that some google result could not be retrieved because of api limits… one has to wonder why Startpage does not have those limits.
But even just getting off the main Google search page is huge. So much of this is about adopting a posture of flexibility and taking responsibility for your data to some extent, and which companies you can and can’t tolerate. So just rejecting the convenience of using Google as search is great.
Because now you don’t feel so totally helpless—you’ve got an example of exercising your agency over your “digital life” and you can keep doing it as needed/desired with greater ease.
Main thing to realise is you’re not going to find a drop-in replacement for Google that is some giant centralised search and auth platform strangely super-motivated to reduce friction between you accessing products online.
I did say there still better then the main page but i guess i should have put more emphasis on that.
I know many people irl who are are into computers and use ddg, blindly trusting that there search is fully private while there current search terms are directly used to serve them ads (somehow that does not count as personalized)
Its shades of grey, i am very happy they took agency to get rid of google but I really wish people, at least in the computer sector, where more aware of how far corporate reach goes.
qwant together with ecosia are working on establishing a fully independent search index but at this point it is really in its early days, with ficus on France and Germany.
Sure, duckduckgo dosent have their own web crawlers. Duckduckgo uses someone elses index in this case Microsofts. This dosent mean they sell your data to microsoft or that your search queries fingerprint you the same way as microsoft. They just use microsoft’s big list of websites
They have a long standing corporate deal with microsoft.
The details are vague but this is not hidden, or kept secret.
Ddg has themselves said that the policy that required them to give exclusive acces to Microsoft trackers no longer applied and now blocks them since 2022. This is on the Wikipedia i shared.
But if you read between them lines. They are following Microsoft policies, if they are now allowed to block those trackers its because microslop allowed them to do so.
Tech companies only do such thing if they have incentives. A more covert way to get the same data, a long term plan to acquire and otherwise for PR.
Searxng also uses those same search querys but without corporate deal. Thats why if you refresh a lot you hit an api limit… any search engine that does not do that while using these trackers is somehow paying or bartering for access.
What do you think they provide then? DDG sits between me and Bing, the latter doesn’t get my data.
Microsoft does get your data. This is why i wrote that comment.
Read the wikipedia entry. Microsoft and ddg have a long standing openly known about deal.
Microsoft allows ddg to block bing trackers since 2022, ddg has always allowed them till then. but they must be getting something else to change that policy. No way microsoft is just giving api acces out of being good.
Its getting tired to repeat myself, which are verifiable facts.
“My source is that I decided it must be true.”
You realize that DDG is a commercial company and they use part of the revenue to pay for third-party services they use? Or did you think they just run the service for shits and giggles?