Would join as well but DSA co-chair Megan Romer is an absolute wet fart of a human. She makes it too embarrassing to be a member… that and the Marxist book clubs.
100% true. I was just very weirded out by the original comment “socialism isnt marxism”, without any context it’s just confusing, and the only context I got from the person themselves is “there are other forms of socialism”, which is not what the original comment said at all. If it did I wouldn’t have replied in the first place. If that’s what they meant then it should say “socialism isn’t just Marxism, then it would make sense and we could discuss what that means. But that’s not what was said. might be an English thing and I’d feel like a dick if it were
Yeah, and that’s why Marxism = socialism. Same with Maoism, Stalinism, Trotsky, Gramsci, etc. saying “but Marxism isn’t socialism” is WAY different than saying “it’s only a type of socialism” and I don’t understand why you’d try to lie about what you said when it’s right there.
lol no Marxism is socialist theory. Quit being pedantic. That means it IS socialism. Just one type still means it is socialism. And ML having differences from just Marxism doesn’t make it not socialism. I really don’t understand your argument and I don’t really care enough to.
If you consider yourself socialist you have to read Marx and Lenin at some point, same with Trotsky and Stalin. Etc. does no good to separate 2 parts of a whole, if that makes sense.
I’m not. I will support candidates that align with my views by sending them money. DSA is close to my views, but it has too many communists and the org is led by amateurs that don’t know how to speak or win an argument.
What do you mean? I’m an active member in DSA for years now. I’m active in rapid response groups. I’m fighting against Proud Boys and ICE. I make and distribute whistle kits. I’m part of the Community Defense working group and I help marshal events, and add security. I make maps and voter lists for our electoral working group to canvass. I march with striking workers and provide labor support. I provide child care so people can attend events like chapter meetings without worrying about their kids. I’m active in our campaigns against datacenters and flock cameras; I’ve gone to many many board meetings and town halls to voice these concerns and get the communities active. Similar with our BDS campaign. I’ve personally gotten many people signed up and active.
Would join as well but DSA co-chair Megan Romer is an absolute wet fart of a human. She makes it too embarrassing to be a member… that and the Marxist book clubs.
you’re upset that a socialist organization has socialist book clubs?
Socialism is not marxism…
Edit: What I’m trying to say is socialism is not just marxism.
Marx and Lenin are absolutely necessary for socialist theory. what are you talking about? and God, why do I always take the bait??
There was a socialist tradition before Marx and Engels, and some people still read those authors. Robert Owen is one example
That doesn’t make Marx not socialism you people are being kinda weird and I still do not understand
I don’t think anyone was saying that, I certainly wasn’t. Just that there is non-Marxist socialism
100% true. I was just very weirded out by the original comment “socialism isnt marxism”, without any context it’s just confusing, and the only context I got from the person themselves is “there are other forms of socialism”, which is not what the original comment said at all. If it did I wouldn’t have replied in the first place. If that’s what they meant then it should say “socialism isn’t just Marxism, then it would make sense and we could discuss what that means. But that’s not what was said. might be an English thing and I’d feel like a dick if it were
Marxism is a type of socialism. So almost all marxisms are socialisms and not all socialisms are marxisms.
Yeah, and that’s why Marxism = socialism. Same with Maoism, Stalinism, Trotsky, Gramsci, etc. saying “but Marxism isn’t socialism” is WAY different than saying “it’s only a type of socialism” and I don’t understand why you’d try to lie about what you said when it’s right there.
If it’s not socialism then what is ML ?
Marxism is not equal to socialism, because marxism is a type of socialism. They’re not synonyms.
I reworded my first comment to avoid confusion.
And Marxism-Leninism is not the same as Marxism, but it is still a type of socialism (but a different type)
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lol no Marxism is socialist theory. Quit being pedantic. That means it IS socialism. Just one type still means it is socialism. And ML having differences from just Marxism doesn’t make it not socialism. I really don’t understand your argument and I don’t really care enough to.
If you consider yourself socialist you have to read Marx and Lenin at some point, same with Trotsky and Stalin. Etc. does no good to separate 2 parts of a whole, if that makes sense.
I concede defeat.
How are you organizing your community?
I’m not. I will support candidates that align with my views by sending them money. DSA is close to my views, but it has too many communists and the org is led by amateurs that don’t know how to speak or win an argument.
you might want to start, instead of armchair arguing against DSA…
As you armchair argue against armchair arguing against the DSA?
What do you mean? I’m an active member in DSA for years now. I’m active in rapid response groups. I’m fighting against Proud Boys and ICE. I make and distribute whistle kits. I’m part of the Community Defense working group and I help marshal events, and add security. I make maps and voter lists for our electoral working group to canvass. I march with striking workers and provide labor support. I provide child care so people can attend events like chapter meetings without worrying about their kids. I’m active in our campaigns against datacenters and flock cameras; I’ve gone to many many board meetings and town halls to voice these concerns and get the communities active. Similar with our BDS campaign. I’ve personally gotten many people signed up and active.
What have you done lately?