The DSA didn’t originate that slogan, and it was originally “Defund, disarm, disband the police.” Anyway, how can anyone “seize the levers of power” without changing anything about how policing works in this country?
Also, taking over the Democratic Party from the inside is literally the DSA’s stated goal. Why are you so mad at them? They agree with you on this one!
That’s been the strategy for 10 years, since Bernie’s first run.
How’s that working?
I’m not knocking the DSA, but the idea of a left-wing takeover of the Democratic Party is less applicable than ever. Unlike 2016, the centrist Dems are well aware of the threat to their left - and it’s obvious, that’s the ONLY thing they’re determined to stop. Which is why they’re currently spending their time attacking Hassan Piker and anyone else opposing the genocide in Gaza, not Donald Trump.
Any victory you find in the Democratic Party will be pyrric at best, imho. By the time you defeat these people, what will be left?
it hasn’t worked with the Democratic party. That’s what happened in 2016 . . . the Dems were able to stop the revolt from the wing, the GOP was not. Now the GOP is MAGA, and the Bernie wing is contained.
There’s a few reasons for that - one of which is that the GOP process is not as controlled, and another is that the Dems were smarter than the GOP, which had already seen its leadership wounded from the Tea Party.
The Dems didn’t show that. After losing to an insane gameshow host in 2016, their leadership remained identical in 2018 and 2020. There wasn’t even window dressing changes. And 2020 saw the center and party establishment firmly not only win (Biden over Bernie), but use that to systematically lock out the left. Why do you think the first primary was moved to South Carolina, a state which will NEVER go for the Dems in the general?
DSA is the field, not the team. If you’re left wing, you go there because that’s where you can find left wing people to organize.
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Of course you support entryism. How unthinkable is it for you people that maybe your police doesn’t need military equipment?
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The DSA didn’t originate that slogan, and it was originally “Defund, disarm, disband the police.” Anyway, how can anyone “seize the levers of power” without changing anything about how policing works in this country?
Also, taking over the Democratic Party from the inside is literally the DSA’s stated goal. Why are you so mad at them? They agree with you on this one!
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That’s been the strategy for 10 years, since Bernie’s first run.
How’s that working?
I’m not knocking the DSA, but the idea of a left-wing takeover of the Democratic Party is less applicable than ever. Unlike 2016, the centrist Dems are well aware of the threat to their left - and it’s obvious, that’s the ONLY thing they’re determined to stop. Which is why they’re currently spending their time attacking Hassan Piker and anyone else opposing the genocide in Gaza, not Donald Trump.
Any victory you find in the Democratic Party will be pyrric at best, imho. By the time you defeat these people, what will be left?
How can you say it doesn’t work when that’s literally what maga did?
it hasn’t worked with the Democratic party. That’s what happened in 2016 . . . the Dems were able to stop the revolt from the wing, the GOP was not. Now the GOP is MAGA, and the Bernie wing is contained.
There’s a few reasons for that - one of which is that the GOP process is not as controlled, and another is that the Dems were smarter than the GOP, which had already seen its leadership wounded from the Tea Party.
The Dems didn’t show that. After losing to an insane gameshow host in 2016, their leadership remained identical in 2018 and 2020. There wasn’t even window dressing changes. And 2020 saw the center and party establishment firmly not only win (Biden over Bernie), but use that to systematically lock out the left. Why do you think the first primary was moved to South Carolina, a state which will NEVER go for the Dems in the general?