Ah, there’s your reason. You don’t care that she sent arms to Israel because you want arms to be sent to Israel.
See, now we can identify the point of disagreement, which is that I’m not a genocidal Zionist.
The iron dome bill is exclusively for defense weapons
The thing about defense is that once you have it locked down, you’re free to do whatever aggression you want because nobody will be able to retaliate. The possibility of reprisals is the only reason Israel hasn’t fired up gas chambers and furnaces.
By your logic, why don’t we just send Iran, Palestine, etc. the same kind of “defensive” weapons? It’s not like they’ll be able to hurt anyone with them. You can say “Iran doesn’t have the right to exist” or whatever but that’s not going to cause millions of Iranians to pack up and leave.
No, it takes twice as much energy to refute lies and stupidity.
So essentially you can just say whatever you want with nothing to back it up, gotcha.
Correct? What TF do you mean correct? Correct we should send Iran missile defense systems?
They are not key allies in the me.
So you support the alliance with the genocidal regime.
And now we’re back in the world of slop sound bytes. I’m so happy for you that you’re anti-genocidal.
Describing things dismissively doesn’t make them untrue.
I don’t even know why you’re weighing in on this conversation. Obviously, I’m criticizing her from an anti-Zionist perspective. If you want to argue that she aligns with your Zionist values, then sure, I agree with that completely. From the perspective that genocide is actually bad, however, the criticism is completely valid.
Because it doesn’t help the conversation at all if all we are limited to is slop twitter soundbites. A real discussion would entail anything about actionable solutions or realistic paths to de-escalation. And that includes bringing Israel to the table. That’s what Palestinians need. Not white kids sitting around on college campuses chanting “free Palestine”. Hate her for all you want, but Kamala was the vehicle for de-escalation. Not Trump.
Not running the mill on a collection of LLM slop soundbites “from the river to the sea” / " apartheid colonial ethnostate" over and over and over is just…meaningless. If you guys aren’t capable of addressing these with real concrete actionable items, it’s just effervescent self masturbatory ejaculate
Nothing I’ve said or cited was AI generated or had anything to do with twitter, nor were they soundbites. I linked full articles put out by the DSA.
And that includes bringing Israel to the table.
And that’s exactly why they don’t need to be given weapons “defensive” or otherwise. How exactly do you think they can be brought to the table? By asking them nicely to not do genocide? Trying to appease Israel by giving them weapons is no more possible than trying to appease Hitler by giving him Czechoslovakia. There is exactly one limiting factor on Israeli aggression, exactly one way to bring them to the table, and it is force. Kamala was fully, 100% behind the genocide and wouldn’t have done shit, just like Biden.
If you guys aren’t capable of addressing these with real concrete actionable items, it’s just effervescent self masturbatory ejaculate
You guys had full control of the executive branch, and what did you do to stop the genocide? How did giving them weapons and asking nicely to “bring them to the table” work out for you?
I find it hard to believe anyone’s dumb enough to actually think that’s a viable strategy. Again, you’re just a Zionist, you just support giving them weapons because you don’t have any problem whatsoever with what’s happening there, you just don’t want to say it outright because it sounds bad.
And there it is. The fact that you equivocate between Kamala and Trump tells us everything. You are not informed or grounded in any sort of reality about this conversation.
No, I didn’t say you used an llm. I’m saying your talking points are indistinguishable from one. It’s just slop sound bytes, nothing more.
The fact that you can’t at least acknowledge that Israel was also being attacked, especially after Oct 7…is also just indicative of how terminally online people talk about this conflict. You guys are not on the side of Palestinians. This is Kony 2012 all over again.
And of course, pull out all the standard buzzword ad homs: zionist, genocide enabler etc.
You are saying so much and nothing at the same time.
Who the fuck said anything about Trump? Pure whataboutism.
Why are you acting like it’s some sort of revalation that I don’t like Harris? I’m criticizing AOC for being too friendly to the genocidal Zionist regime, and Harris was even more friendly with them. Or do you just like the soundbite of “And there it is?”
No, I didn’t say you used an llm. I’m saying your talking points are indistinguishable from one. It’s just slop sound bytes, nothing more.
Whereas you have the incredibly unique perspective of blindly believing and supporting whatever the politicians of your preferred tribe say or do.
The fact that you can’t at least acknowledge that Israel was also being attacked, especially after Oct 7
That’s not a fact, you pulled that one completely out of your ass. I’m happy to acknowledge it. It changes absolutely nothing about my stance.
You are saying so much and nothing at the same time.
For someone who claims to hate “soundbites” you sure do love trying to make your ‘zingers’ sound profound.
You did the thing. You equivocated Kamala with what is happening now:
Kamala was fully, 100% behind the genocide and wouldn’t have done shit, just like Biden.
This is patently false. Biden did an awful job reigning Bibi, that’s true. But to just sit here and pretend that today’s outcome would be the same if Kamala was president is just asinine and out of touch. But there is no way to convince you, because none of this conversation is grounded in reality.
Yea, you’re right. I’m not doing a great job debunking these stupid talking points. I’ve heard this dialog tree a million times on Lemmy. That’s all it is. A dialog tree of same stupid “genocide Kamala” “you’re a zionist” etc.
If you’re not going to put in the work to understand i/p and treat everything as a simple soundbyte I can just match your energy. It’s no different really
Ah, there’s your reason. You don’t care that she sent arms to Israel because you want arms to be sent to Israel.
See, now we can identify the point of disagreement, which is that I’m not a genocidal Zionist.
The thing about defense is that once you have it locked down, you’re free to do whatever aggression you want because nobody will be able to retaliate. The possibility of reprisals is the only reason Israel hasn’t fired up gas chambers and furnaces.
By your logic, why don’t we just send Iran, Palestine, etc. the same kind of “defensive” weapons? It’s not like they’ll be able to hurt anyone with them. You can say “Iran doesn’t have the right to exist” or whatever but that’s not going to cause millions of Iranians to pack up and leave.
So essentially you can just say whatever you want with nothing to back it up, gotcha.
I’ve explained what the iron dome is.
Correct. They are not key allies in the me.
And now we’re back in the world of slop sound bytes. I’m so happy for you that you’re anti-genocidal. How brave and noble
Everyone knows what the Iron Dome is, dipshit.
Correct? What TF do you mean correct? Correct we should send Iran missile defense systems?
So you support the alliance with the genocidal regime.
Describing things dismissively doesn’t make them untrue.
I don’t even know why you’re weighing in on this conversation. Obviously, I’m criticizing her from an anti-Zionist perspective. If you want to argue that she aligns with your Zionist values, then sure, I agree with that completely. From the perspective that genocide is actually bad, however, the criticism is completely valid.
Because it doesn’t help the conversation at all if all we are limited to is slop twitter soundbites. A real discussion would entail anything about actionable solutions or realistic paths to de-escalation. And that includes bringing Israel to the table. That’s what Palestinians need. Not white kids sitting around on college campuses chanting “free Palestine”. Hate her for all you want, but Kamala was the vehicle for de-escalation. Not Trump.
Not running the mill on a collection of LLM slop soundbites “from the river to the sea” / " apartheid colonial ethnostate" over and over and over is just…meaningless. If you guys aren’t capable of addressing these with real concrete actionable items, it’s just effervescent self masturbatory ejaculate
Nothing I’ve said or cited was AI generated or had anything to do with twitter, nor were they soundbites. I linked full articles put out by the DSA.
And that’s exactly why they don’t need to be given weapons “defensive” or otherwise. How exactly do you think they can be brought to the table? By asking them nicely to not do genocide? Trying to appease Israel by giving them weapons is no more possible than trying to appease Hitler by giving him Czechoslovakia. There is exactly one limiting factor on Israeli aggression, exactly one way to bring them to the table, and it is force. Kamala was fully, 100% behind the genocide and wouldn’t have done shit, just like Biden.
You guys had full control of the executive branch, and what did you do to stop the genocide? How did giving them weapons and asking nicely to “bring them to the table” work out for you?
I find it hard to believe anyone’s dumb enough to actually think that’s a viable strategy. Again, you’re just a Zionist, you just support giving them weapons because you don’t have any problem whatsoever with what’s happening there, you just don’t want to say it outright because it sounds bad.
And there it is. The fact that you equivocate between Kamala and Trump tells us everything. You are not informed or grounded in any sort of reality about this conversation.
No, I didn’t say you used an llm. I’m saying your talking points are indistinguishable from one. It’s just slop sound bytes, nothing more.
The fact that you can’t at least acknowledge that Israel was also being attacked, especially after Oct 7…is also just indicative of how terminally online people talk about this conflict. You guys are not on the side of Palestinians. This is Kony 2012 all over again.
And of course, pull out all the standard buzzword ad homs: zionist, genocide enabler etc.
You are saying so much and nothing at the same time.
Who the fuck said anything about Trump? Pure whataboutism.
Why are you acting like it’s some sort of revalation that I don’t like Harris? I’m criticizing AOC for being too friendly to the genocidal Zionist regime, and Harris was even more friendly with them. Or do you just like the soundbite of “And there it is?”
Whereas you have the incredibly unique perspective of blindly believing and supporting whatever the politicians of your preferred tribe say or do.
That’s not a fact, you pulled that one completely out of your ass. I’m happy to acknowledge it. It changes absolutely nothing about my stance.
For someone who claims to hate “soundbites” you sure do love trying to make your ‘zingers’ sound profound.
You did the thing. You equivocated Kamala with what is happening now:
This is patently false. Biden did an awful job reigning Bibi, that’s true. But to just sit here and pretend that today’s outcome would be the same if Kamala was president is just asinine and out of touch. But there is no way to convince you, because none of this conversation is grounded in reality.
Yea, you’re right. I’m not doing a great job debunking these stupid talking points. I’ve heard this dialog tree a million times on Lemmy. That’s all it is. A dialog tree of same stupid “genocide Kamala” “you’re a zionist” etc.
If you’re not going to put in the work to understand i/p and treat everything as a simple soundbyte I can just match your energy. It’s no different really