inari@piefed.zip to Europe@feddit.orgEnglish · 17 days agoIt is time to build the United States of Europeelpais.comexternal-linkmessage-square49linkfedilinkarrow-up1100arrow-down112
arrow-up188arrow-down1external-linkIt is time to build the United States of Europeelpais.cominari@piefed.zip to Europe@feddit.orgEnglish · 17 days agomessage-square49linkfedilink
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up20arrow-down1·17 days agoIn what fucking world was Napoleon’s attempt not a series of conquests?
minus-squaredeHaga@feddit.uklinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up3arrow-down8·16 days agoEuropean history all is just conquests
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up12·16 days ago…so there has not been an attempt like the EU
minus-squareCAVOK@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up4·16 days agoThe Hansa was something of a proto-EU.
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up0·16 days agoThat’s an interesting comparison I hadn’t considered, but isn’t it more like the current EU than the hypothetical federalised EU under discussion?
minus-squareCAVOK@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1·16 days agoProbably yes, but I don’t know enough about the Hansa to weigh in. But from what I can remember conquest wasn’t a part of it. It was a trade and defense arrangement that you joined voluntarily.
minus-squaredeHaga@feddit.uklinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1arrow-down8·16 days agoThere has. The European Communities and the EEC. Neither were attempts to create a federation like US, China or Russia…
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up13·16 days agoMate the EEC was one of the European Communities, and it ended because it became part of the EU. That’s not a separate attempt. That’s the same one.
minus-squaredeHaga@feddit.uklinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2arrow-down10·16 days agoLol no. The treaties of Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon turned a trade bloc into a political one. That’s centralising power, and it always fails.
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up10·16 days ago “Lol no. Actually it was exactly what you said”
In what fucking world was Napoleon’s attempt not a series of conquests?
European history all is just conquests
…so there has not been an attempt like the EU
The Hansa was something of a proto-EU.
That’s an interesting comparison I hadn’t considered, but isn’t it more like the current EU than the hypothetical federalised EU under discussion?
Probably yes, but I don’t know enough about the Hansa to weigh in. But from what I can remember conquest wasn’t a part of it. It was a trade and defense arrangement that you joined voluntarily.
There has. The European Communities and the EEC. Neither were attempts to create a federation like US, China or Russia…
Mate the EEC was one of the European Communities, and it ended because it became part of the EU. That’s not a separate attempt. That’s the same one.
Lol no. The treaties of Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon turned a trade bloc into a political one.
That’s centralising power, and it always fails.