• agent_nycto@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    Even reading through the abstract, this study is irrelevant to what we’re talking about here. They did a study that showed how people who are against the system and protest the system will inevitably butt heads with people who want to keep the system, the status quo.

    Nowhere is it talking about voting, and that voting causes people to stop organizing.

    The fact you said you “found” it instead of having that information on hand, and that you had to stretch to say this proves your theory means what I thought from the start.

    The whole “people who vote will organize less” theory you state as absolute, the whole basis of your criticism, is made up. You assumed that this was true instead of checking. Shameful.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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      The study directly shows a negative correlation between those who believe the system represents a valid path to change, and those who organize against the system. This is my point. I did not say “people who vote will organize less,” I said funelling people into electoralism and treating it as the primary means of change deflates revolutionary organizing. These are distinct and separate points, and since you cannot argue against my actual point, you make up strawmen.

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        5 days ago

        Further, when people treat voting as their primary means of political engagement, they do check out!

        You said it right there.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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          5 days ago

          Yep! I never said voting causes apathy, I pointed to the way people treat voting as a cause of apathy towards organizing. Critical distinction!

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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              5 days ago

              I gave evidence, you pretended the evidence didn’t support my point because you continued to pretend my point was a different one entirely.

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                5 days ago

                I deadass quoted you and now you’re moving the goalposts. “I didn’t saaaaay voting was bad and pointless ;)” doesn’t cut it.

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                  His original comment reads: (bold emphasis mine)

                  When voting is treated like the absolutely most important means of political struggle, people do tune out and neglect to organize.

                  You appear to be interpreting it as if he had said:

                  When voting exists, people do tune out and neglect to organize.

                  From what I can tell, his argument was never that the very existence of voting causes political apathy in voters, as you seem to be implying. Rather, he is arguing that the promotion of voting as either the primary or as the only valid form of political action causes voters to disregard other forms.

                • edible_funk@lemmy.world
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                  5 days ago

                  Cowbee’s arms must be massive the way he’s running all over the fuckin place with those goal posts.

                  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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                    5 days ago

                    I do work out, but I didn’t move any goalposts. Do you have something better to do than complain about me for a dozen comments without adding anything to the discussion?

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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                  5 days ago

                  I never moved the goalposts, you argued against a point I never made. I tried to bring you back to the goalposts.