Except the flags are poorly put up pieces of shitty polyester.
We all know which country we’re in, we don’t need violence and plastic waste littering the streets to remind us.
It’s not patriotism, it’s brain dead virtue signaling. Patriotism would involve improving the lives of people in this country, this achieves nothing but make the place worse.
Some folks tried that in Edinburgh, and they were taken down in a few days. Then put up again. Then taken down again.
Cheap polyester madie-in-china tat cable tied to lampposts.
It’s not patriotic, it’s insipid and cliche.
Ideally we should have flags and improve people’s lives imho
Flags on lampposts is a common thing where I live. They’ve specially adapted the lampposts to accommodate them in some places, to make it look nice and tidy. Works well.
Well the only place in the UK I saw that stuff was in the bit of Ireland we havent given back yet. There, either community flies masses of flags on the approaches to their villages and towns as a display of cultural intimidation. This is not the sort of behaviour we should seek to import.
In most cases it’s not cultural intimidation, it’s pride and celebration. There are cases of paramilitaries using it to mark their territory, but in those cases it’s specific paramilitary flags, not national flags.
Also it’s not “haven’t given back yet” Given “back” to whom exactly? Dublin? The Republic of Ireland was never sovereign over Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is in fact older than the Irish Free State / Republic of Ireland. Northern Ireland belongs to the people of Northern Ireland. That was exercised in 1912, 1922, 1973 and 1998. On these occasions, Northern Ireland specifically moved to remain a part of the UK. Since 1998, it’s been a constitutional matter that the UK has to remain sovereign over Northern Ireland unless the majority of it’s voter base votes to leave. With a majority in the elected assembly being against leaving, that’s not going to happen anytime soon.
It’s the fact that the only groups mobilising people to put flags on lampposts are the far-right ones. For migrant or LGBT folks living there, the flags are a constant reminder that people who hate them are close by and organised.
Not everyone wants to shag the flag though. It would be nice to get on with our lives without it being shoved in our faces. People shouldnt be compelled to be patriotic
The term “flag shagger” is so uniquely British because for whatever reason we are one of the few countries in the world that seems to hate ourselves. They felt the need to neuter the coronation to cater to the whining of people who weren’t even going to watch it in the first place. So it creates a reactionary response.
The people doing this use the flag intentionally because it makes it almost impossible to complain about it. They’ve highjacked the flag and warped what it stands for.
There is also an element of 90’s football hooliganism. Before this recent right-wing stunt, when I see a st Georges flag raised my first thought is the person raising it is a football idiot.
So I don’t think it’s people hating their country or the flags specifically, it’s more about disliking the morons who use it and what they think it stands for.
What about the Nazi flag? Could easily cause alarm and distress. Just because you don’t perceive something as likely to cause distress, doesn’t mean that someone else does if fact get distressed by it.
The difference is, the Union Flag and St George’s Cross represent the they’re placed in. The Nazi flag represents Nazi Germany. The problem is that mainly right wingers are using the national flag. I think everyone should be using it.
It sounds like this issue is the anti migrant groups and not the flag raising itself
Except the flags are poorly put up pieces of shitty polyester.
We all know which country we’re in, we don’t need violence and plastic waste littering the streets to remind us.
It’s not patriotism, it’s brain dead virtue signaling. Patriotism would involve improving the lives of people in this country, this achieves nothing but make the place worse.
I fucking hate the flag-shagging.
Some folks tried that in Edinburgh, and they were taken down in a few days. Then put up again. Then taken down again.
Cheap polyester madie-in-china tat cable tied to lampposts.
It’s not patriotic, it’s insipid and cliche.
Ideally we should have flags and improve people’s lives imho
Flags on lampposts is a common thing where I live. They’ve specially adapted the lampposts to accommodate them in some places, to make it look nice and tidy. Works well.
Sounds like hell on earth
Nah, best part of the UK
Well the only place in the UK I saw that stuff was in the bit of Ireland we havent given back yet. There, either community flies masses of flags on the approaches to their villages and towns as a display of cultural intimidation. This is not the sort of behaviour we should seek to import.
In most cases it’s not cultural intimidation, it’s pride and celebration. There are cases of paramilitaries using it to mark their territory, but in those cases it’s specific paramilitary flags, not national flags.
Also it’s not “haven’t given back yet” Given “back” to whom exactly? Dublin? The Republic of Ireland was never sovereign over Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is in fact older than the Irish Free State / Republic of Ireland. Northern Ireland belongs to the people of Northern Ireland. That was exercised in 1912, 1922, 1973 and 1998. On these occasions, Northern Ireland specifically moved to remain a part of the UK. Since 1998, it’s been a constitutional matter that the UK has to remain sovereign over Northern Ireland unless the majority of it’s voter base votes to leave. With a majority in the elected assembly being against leaving, that’s not going to happen anytime soon.
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It’s the fact that the only groups mobilising people to put flags on lampposts are the far-right ones. For migrant or LGBT folks living there, the flags are a constant reminder that people who hate them are close by and organised.
That’s why everyone should use the national flag. It’ll take it back. A good example is the Labour Party beginning to prominently use it.
Not everyone wants to shag the flag though. It would be nice to get on with our lives without it being shoved in our faces. People shouldnt be compelled to be patriotic
The term “flag shagger” is so uniquely British because for whatever reason we are one of the few countries in the world that seems to hate ourselves. They felt the need to neuter the coronation to cater to the whining of people who weren’t even going to watch it in the first place. So it creates a reactionary response.
The people doing this use the flag intentionally because it makes it almost impossible to complain about it. They’ve highjacked the flag and warped what it stands for.
There is also an element of 90’s football hooliganism. Before this recent right-wing stunt, when I see a st Georges flag raised my first thought is the person raising it is a football idiot.
So I don’t think it’s people hating their country or the flags specifically, it’s more about disliking the morons who use it and what they think it stands for.
Then unwarp it. Our forefathers fought and many died for what that flag truly represents.
And many have killed while bearing the flag.
Nations are dumb and I don’t care about the monarch or have any strong feelings, positive or negative, toward the flag. Sue me.
So there’s no problem with there being crowns and jacks everywhere then? Especially if put up with good intentions
No, because that’s people forcing their dumbass fanclub into public spaces. I’d take issue the same way with people putting football flags everywhere
What about the Nazi flag? Could easily cause alarm and distress. Just because you don’t perceive something as likely to cause distress, doesn’t mean that someone else does if fact get distressed by it.
The difference is, the Union Flag and St George’s Cross represent the they’re placed in. The Nazi flag represents Nazi Germany. The problem is that mainly right wingers are using the national flag. I think everyone should be using it.
A shitty flag made in China and cable tied to a lamppost suggests there is at least one racist piece of shit nearby.
To anyone non-white, that is a cause for alarm and distress. The fact you can’t conceive that notion speaks volumes about you.
Depends where you live tbf