Democratic leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives have condemned a raid on Rep. Ilhan Omar’s home as “deeply disturbing” and accused the Trump administration of a “rogue abuse of power” just weeks ahead of November’s midterm elections.
Let’s see if they do anything besides strong words and maybe some paddles.
I mean, I want to have those policies and services too, but you’re saying if it’s a non-socialist Democrat versus a Republican, you want the Republican to win?
I’m guessing if that happens you’ll get your wish for no DNC by 2028, because we’ll be a state-enforced one-party system by then.
We’re saying if its fascist or fascist-lite, we’ll select neither in order to pressure fascist-lite to do better. And if the Dems still dont wanna then they can lose. Its the only way to prerssure them. We cant play chicken we have to give them real consequences.
Sorry, but that doesn’t really make sense. Here are your options:
You don’t vote at all, or vote third party: If you totally sit out the vote, you are having no effect, or are voting for the status quo by omission.
You vote republican: You are voting for the worst outcome.
You vote democrat: You are voting harm reduction.
Now to be clear:
“Harm reduction” is not just about you. It’s about LGBTQ people, it’s about people who are on ACA who will die due to continued cuts, it’s about immigrants who are going to be abused. Even if you think the democrats are “fascism-lite” (which I think is severely reductionist), you are severely downplaying, to the point that it mirrors GOP lack of empathy, the harms others are experiencing due to your refusal to vote for harm reduction.
In the primary, please, please vote for the most progressive person you can find, and let corporate democrats eat all the dicks. But in the general, please don’t just think of yourself and your emotional response of “screw them all!” Because “them all” includes your allies.
P.S.: Also, what is the point of downvoting good faith discussion? It really is not nice.
voting is not harm reduction
You’re right, and I see the hope for pressuring to work but doubtful. If Harris won there wouldn’t be all this damage to the world. Wouldn’t have all the suffering in concentration camps paid by taxes, and they would be contributing to the communities they were. Things were better two years ago and all the regression is directly related to bad maga choices. All the blame on Biden for global issues was dumb, but too many don’t care or know better so it will continue unfortunately.
You think blaming Biden for the genocide he actively supported is dumb?
These ideal purists don’t believe in harm reduction. The actual outcome isn’t important, they only care that their hands are clean.
They’re not debating in good faith. They’re accelerationists and both sidesers, they work for MAGA.
Accelerationists wouldn’t support maga. Congrats on learning a new word, but it works better when you know what it means.
Hello brand new account attempting to discourage voting!
Nope, vote as much as you can!
What else ya got?
So you’ll accelerate the fascism to punish the significantly empirically less fascist group? Sound fuckin logic there brainiac. So you want fascism. You’re a fascist accelerationist.
I sure am, but I do hope the dems leadership pulls their heads out of their arses before the system immolates, but I’m not going to stand around while the government oils the gears of our half assed democracy with the blood of innocents. If it literally takes blood to continue, then it needs to end. You’re just whining because you are so sure the blood wont be yours-- when you shouldnt be sure. Thats ghoulish, bud. And a tad evil and short sighted. But you do you.
The Dems will stand around with their dicks in their hands while the whole thing implodes. There’s no common sense in that tent
So you admit that Democrats are fascist, just not AS fascist as those Republicans they bump elbows with and share donors with, right?
No I’m saying your “logic” is stupid and self defeating because it is.
That would be YOUR words, GENIUS
How can one accelerate what is not there to begin with?
I’m glad people are finally starting to understand how Tankies work. I’d be real skeptical of any lemmy_today accounts you see, they’re still federated with the Tankie hive that is Hexbear. They’re just Russian and Chinese trolls, the lot of them. It’ll be nice once everyone decent finally makes the move over to piefed and we can start delisting all of the lemmy instances.
Well its not up to you, finitebanjo. The dems dont have the votes to lose their progressive voting block and still win elections-- even against trump-- so they can choose to do their effing jobs or they can lose. We’re well aware you’ll vote for them either way, thats factored into the math already.
And you can call people names all day finitebanjo, no one could possibly care any less what centrist armchair generals like yourself think. All you lot do is lose and cave constantly. You centrists are a complete clownshow.
Kreskin your post and comment history are visible. Anybody can just click on your name and see that your whole account exists just to denigrate democrats. You’re a bad faith accelerationist. That’s not me calling you a name, that’s all your posts and comments outing you for what you are.
Well check mine since I agree with him. People should look up what an illusion of choice is.
The Democrats have not GIVEN anything for 40 years. They have not restored anything that was cut by Republicans.
The only thing I cant stand more than MAGA are you pieces of crap that can’t admit to being maga.
You are all just capitalists, our country IS capitalism. What policy decisions are YOU complaining about?
Here is why I say voting for the Democrats is no longer a viable option:
Hakeem Jeffries is secretly meeting with Kushner. He also takes Thiel money and started an AI regulatory committee with 6 other Dems that take Thiel money
Tammy duckworth has stated that after midterms, NOONE should be impeached and Dems should work WITH the pedophilic traitors (that would be YOU, working with them)
Gavin Newsome won’t even COMMIT TO TAXING BILLIONAIRES. Why on earth are you gonna run your mouth and say that he is going to hold anyone responsible and arrest anyone?
Thiel has a abandoned MAGA and is now funding Democrats
AIPAC DEMOCRATS ARE FUNDING AIPAC MAGA CANDIDATES OVER LEFT AND DSA CANDIDTAES.
Can you please explain to us how voting for Democrats will achieve anything for working class people?
No. All you will say is that the margins will be tight, we have to vote harder to get a majority, oh, the parliamentarian shot it down, oh the SCOTUS shut it down. We can’t elect progressives right now, they aren’t electable
Then admit you’re just as willing as MAGA to sacrifice all the people that maga intend to kill because your stance helps maga kill all those people. Congratulations, you’re a fascist accelerationist, not an ally, and you deserve whatever the republicans do to us because you’re actively working towards it.
No. I would want to see Americans free themselves of a fake two party system. It is revolution time and the only thing that pisses me off more than MAGA right now is every agency and institution that everyone allowed to fail that got us here.
Republican actions, followed by Democrat inaction, allowed FASCISM to coup America already.
There is no more America, we need something new and the people that got us here are not going to fix or stop it, or they would have
Then stop trusting the lie that democrats are doing nothing. First explain what power they currently have. Then explain all the legislation brought forward by both parties during this Trump admin and who voted for what. Then do the same for the four years of the Biden administration. Then the previous Trump admin. Then the Obama admin. If you’ve gotten half that far and you still think there’s any legitimacy to both sides being the same then you’re a gigantic fucking idiot that fundamentally doesn’t understand any goddamn function of politics and government and shouldn’t be allowed to have opinions about things they’re spectacularly fuck-ignorant about. If you’re not spectacularly fuck-ignorant then you’re just engaging in bad faith as an accelerationist. Any which way, you help republicans and hurt all vulnerable people with your dumbfuck takes. People like you are as stupid as you think MAGA is.
What are Democrats doing? What was I wrong about? Just a bunch of attacks like a little shill
What would you swear they are going to do if they sweep the house? Go ahead and tell me and we will see if their statements and actions match?
I’m well aware that I keep my comment list open. People who are honest about their positions and have no shenanigans to hide tend to leave their comments open.
Whats a “bad faith accelerationist” exectly? One who is not commited to true accelerationism? Or are you trying to say any accelerationist are bad faith?
I wont lift a finger to help dems until they stop it with the war crimes and embrace what used to be the core or the Democratic party platform. And the republicans are a completely lost cause and not worth addressing at all. So I yell at dems to do the right thing, and I promise them that until they do I sit on the couch. I dont ever vote for republicans. If thats bad faith to you, then I think your “faith” is worthless slave-like drivel.
Anyone who genuinely equates republicans and democrats is an idiot working for MAGA. If you didn’t exist in bad faith you’d know the parties aren’t the same, since their voting records are public. But you’re not engaging in good faith. If your position isn’t “prevent republicans from holding power by any means necessary” then you’re an accelerationist. If you don’t believe in strategic voting and harm reduction and the spoiler effect then you’re engaging in bad faith and are an accelerationist. That’s your whole account. You’re a bad faith MAGAt bot actively working to elect republicans. Now call in your little bitch brigade or use your alts to upvote your position like it’s the sane take, you fuckers do that shit constantly here.
edible_funk, your making room for people who are traitors to the old Democratic party platform and stand for nothing much unless its pro-grenocide, cashing checks from the wealthy, clamping down hard on free speech and whistle blowers, being soft on civil rights and soft on brutality of peaceful law abiding immigrants is exactly why the party is in the shitter. You and the idiot centrist leaders are the real problem here.
Harris lost voters off the base in every single demographic last election except a single point gain on college educated white males. Every single other subgroup were less supportive of her “platform”-- a “platform” the dem leaders continue to just double down on and not change at all. Notably, she lost ground arcoss black voters and female voters across the board. How can the party win doing the same old stuff that no one trusts them on now? What clearer signal do they need that they need to adapt and change? We have polls, we have election results. What the eff else do you need to see to conclude change is needed?
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5309082-democrats-failed-to-recapture-diverse-voters/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/19/us/politics/voter-turnout-election-trump-harris.html
https://democraticautopsy.org/how-democrats-lost-the-white-house/
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2024
Changing nothing is an obvious path to losing again. I think they need to change, you think they dont. Thats fine, I’m not responsible for your bad choices. If my arguing for the dems to get a platform that can win is me being a bad faith accelerationist, whatever the ff that means, then fine, Im a bad faith accelerationist. But you’re a centrist who will lead us to another loss. I’d rather be the accelerationist in that equation.
And you’re just directly putting the traitors in power, which makes you a traitor too.
“prevent Republicans from holding power by any means necessary”
Democrats have repeatedly funded MAGA candidates over the “extreme” and “unelectable” progressive and working class candidates. *And don’t forget about sabotaging Bernie! TWICE! How does this help the working class?
What benefits has your “strategic voting” given the working class? What benefits or great programs did they deliver using this strategy? Are you going to mention Obama Care? The Republican program that forces you to pay for insurance, although the business can’t deny you? (Although they can use AI to deny everything for you, that’s ok)
Where in any of your stupid takes, do RESULTS HAPPEN?
Prove any of that dumb fuckin shit you just said.