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  • Goes equally for Mao/Stalin style communists.

    I’ve had people (in person) quite literally tell me they are for a one party state government that works to make workers lives better. They say the government should consult with all stake holders, but I mean, this is functionally the same as any absolute ruling class consulting with the people below them.

    People will always disagree, even in a future socialist world, and if one’s idea of governance being benevolent dictatorship, then I think you’re cooked to think that can ever work out in the long term.

    Needless to say, I was not convinced, and surprised that this kind of thinking does exist on the left also (though much less commonly I’d say).

    I’m for a socialist democracy actually controlled by the workers.



  • I’m not a tankie

    Fair enough, I was being a bit obtuse with this one. Apologies.

    China is far less imperialistic that the US and Russia.

    Agree. Of the 3 China (at the moment) is the least imperialistic.

    Just to be clear, we’re distinguishing between socialism and communism, right?

    Nope. I mean what I said. The wealth inequality is massive, similar to the US. The work rights are pretty crap, similar to the US (maybe even worse, though I wouldn’t want to say that authoritatively)

    Having a capitalist market economy is kinda antithetical socialism, no? Well, at least what they currently have, with the excessive wealth people have been allowed to amass, on the backs of the working class who have shared in a much, much smaller fraction of the wealth they have generated.

    They have a lot of state owned and run companies, many of which don’t have the primary aim only to make a profit (love this), but this doesn’t change the fact that the class system is in full swing there, and is permitted by the government.

    Pressuring officials and rich people to be less austentatious isn’t exactly taking away the power people have due to their excessive wealth.

    It’s been decades, I think they’ve let enough people get rich first (though I disagree that this was necessary - the letting people get excessively wealthy part, not the reform in general), it’s about time they do SOMETHING to curb wealth inequality (they won’t though, because this would cause an uproar from the wealthy, as is the case in other countries)

    They don’t have a true union movement, all unions must be part of the party. Strikes are done, but very rarely and in spite of the unions, and they are barely tolerated by the authorities. There is very little, if any, difference between how much workers there have a say in their workplace compared to other capitalist countries.

    They don’t have meaningful power over government policy. That’s handed down from on-high from the party elite (yes, with some minor consultation). China is not democratic, and in my view socialism must have workers democracy, by definition, though perhaps some will disagree with this. (But to me saying the word socialism implies rule of the workers, and that is definitely not what is happening in China)

    Hope that clears things up about my opinion, and thanks for not responding to my inflammatory comment with more of the same. Sorry for my candor on this one.




  • This whole comment is strawmanning me.

    Do you understand the difference between De Jure and De Facto?

    Yes.

    Taiwan is de jure a part of China but it is a de facto an independent country. China has an authoritarian government that gets butt hurt over every little thing. So the One China policy is all about them “saving face”.

    Yes, but more accurately, the official government position in Taiwan, that there is one China and they’re the legitimate government, is a historical hangover. The One China policy from the mainland is also a historical hangover, difference is that because they have the bigger stick now, they reckon they can take over, by force or political/economic coercion.

    I don’t disagree with you that the mainland government is authoritarian.

    Maybe read up on strategic ambiguity as well if you want to be more knowledgeable about the subject.

    You’re really just reading what you want to read to be able to call me an idiot. I am aware of what this is, and didn’t mention it in my comment because the original comment was specifically about Taiwanese claims on mainland China. Not writing a holistic comment on everything.

    TLDR, Taiwan is a country. A lot of diplomacy is about piling on layers upon layers of bullshit, because bullshit is preferable to war. But unless you’re working for a country as a diplomat, there’s no need for bullshit… Taiwan is a country

    This is the reason you’ve strawmanned me, because you’re ready to fight with anyone who says it’s not a country which I never said. I tend to agree that Taiwan is a country. It’s got its own government, and its own territory and existed that way for decades. But that’s just my opinion, and because of history the status IS UNDETERMINED because part of the current definition of being a country is that other COUNTRIES recognise you as a country. Again, I also believe it functions de facto as it’s own country - don’t get triggered.

    The people in Taiwan have far more democratic freedom than in the mainland (in my view) - well, with the caveat is that capitalism is inherently undemocratic.

    All I originally said was that the official ROC government position is that there is one China, and Taiwan is part of China, that the government in Taiwan claims to be the legitimate government of. This is a statement of fact, not my opinion…

    That, and that OPINIONS OF THE PEOPLE THERE VARY. Trying to paint them as a monolith is propaganda.

    Yikes… Please chill before you decide to strawman someone who isn’t even arguing against you.