Gone Quill

No. People like tits.

Don’t feed the troll

Even if it was Ernest wouldn’t be the expected admin I don’t think

Even if an app just went pure activity pub, Lemmy and KBin spec which activity pub constructs map to which constructs differently. An app would still need to pick one as a first class citizen

Nah, UNIX certification requires paying money and almost all of the BSD spins said “That’s dumb, we barely have money as it is”

The Fediverse, and what you see in it, should be what you want it to be. That’s what the prevailing design decisions of the Fediverse have always been. You want more exposure to more of the Fediverse than I do. That’s great. You should have that. I want a more curated experience where I don’t have to deal with what I consider bigoted or abusive behavior. I should also have that. It’s why instance choice matters. If you don’t like how an instance federates, you are free to pick another instance or self-host. For me, what works is two accounts. One that sees more, and one that’s more curated. That’s been a pattern of use on the Fediverse for a long time

That functionality doesn’t exist yet as far as I know so the best bet is to ask the instance you’re on “Would we defederate over this” and if the answer is no, change instances

In real life, you can filter by not hanging out with people who speak abusively about and to you. You can walk away. And yeah, sometimes those abusive people follow you. So a lot of them seek online support communities as a retreat from the abuse. Saying “they should just toughen up” misses on what their daily life is like, and that no one wants to be subject to constant unending abuse

There might be an issue on GitHub you could comment on to suggest this. It’s the lack of flexibility in the mod tools that are currently available that’s leading to this “on / off" style of federation

To gain users, users need to find a space that matches what they want. If you want a 4chan style environment, beehaw.org is not for you. If you want a beehaw.org style environment, then maybe it’s a GREAT place to be. It’s getting angry at users for wanting different things from the experience that will reduce the number of users, not that some spaces are different from others

I’ve been on the Fediverse since around 2015-2016 (don’t remember if it was just before or just after I went back to school). It seems like a lot of the newbies here don’t understand what the Fediverse is for and about. There’s a lot of anger and hate that the Fediverse is supposed to be free and open and all the instances all federate with each other, and it’s just like… No. That’s not the point. Why would we even architect ActivityPub to have whitelist and blacklist functionalities if we didn’t want server admins to be able to use them? The point of the fediverse is that you own your relationship to your server’s moderators, and you pick your server’s moderators based on their moderation style.

Think of it this way. On reddit, the administrators have full power over all communities. Don’t like it? You are welcome to have no avenues to participate in any of the discussions. On the fediverse every server has a team that has full power of that small section of the internet. Don’t like how they federate? Pick a different instance that better matches how you would like to interact with the fediverse. If you’re angry that Beehaw is doing this, it just means Beehaw isn’t a good fediverse home for you. You can just… Not go to beehaw for your fediverse needs. Do you like it here, but still want to see posts from Beehaw? Maybe an instance that federates with both is right for you. Because if you like what’s on beehaw, to some extent, you are enjoying the community that is there because they like how things are run there. There is an extent to which you have common ground with those moderators. An instance that federates both there and here is saying “We like what both of these moderation teams are about.”

Here’s another way to think of it. Let’s think about the internet as being the world. The Fediverse is one country in the world. Each project is like a city. You pick which city you want to live in based on what’s going on in your life and how you want to go about things. Here in the Lemmy city (which is very near the KBin city. Think New York and Newark), every instance represents a house with a garden. When you move into the Lemmy, when you pick your instance you move into a house where your profile lives, and then you go hang out in the communities in the back garden. Who your administrators choose to let into the garden is just them creating the atmosphere they want for their garden party. And almost every Lemmy garden has defederated from someone. Almost every server has set up rules about what it takes to walk through the back gate to come kick it in the back garden. The largest instance with a fully open door policy is lemm.ee, not lemmy.world or sh.itjust.works. They’re the 3rd largest instance overall.

All beehaw.org is saying is that our house is very crowded and their bouncer can’t keep up with all the people trying to get into their garden party. And it’s what makes the fediverse beautiful. That’s the point of the fediverse.

Unfortunately Lemmy doesn’t have that kind of fine tuned control yet