Thank you, my man. It’s weird how many people have negative thoughts about this without knowing anything about it. I’m not even an antinatalist lol, though I’m very close to it, I am childfree - those communities only represented the most extreme, most hostile persons and I’ve never participated. But that doesn’t matter to the humanistic, holistic, full of virtue person. Talk about self awareness and irony.

It’s okay, I’ve been online enough to observe that when s certain kind of person feel that they can’t “win” the argument by discussion, they tend to take it to to the personal level and enrage you by insults. For me there’s no winner, just ideas being discussed so I’m not offended. So boring to have such a fragile mindset that can be broken so easily by mere thoughs it has to be defended. Now what’s depressing is knowing that these people hold the majority. Still, thanks for your concern.

Childfree lifestyle is becoming the norm fast, btw - even in my little family oriented country, childfree services such as hotels have increased rapidly, and childfree people aren’t that frowned upon anymore. People can downvote and insult me here all they want but things are changing because they have to. Soon there will be more, and it will be a normal thing to have a neighbor childfree old couple. Then we will be able to talk about it without getting pitchforked to hell and back.

Oh, sorry, did any of your pearls fall? Thanks for your precious “engagement”. I surely won’t mistake it with any meaningful encounter. Just another one with someone who lacks knowledge but has opinions on the matter for some reason, and cannot be bothered to think for a second to make an argument that isn’t empty virtue signaling.

I guess it’s scary for some people to participate in even a conversation about something new with an open mind without being condescending. All while defending “virtue”, ironically.

Have a nice day!

Lemme know when you’re done, I have some particles to accelerate. I know those damn scientists are lying to me.

Actually, right or wrong is the point. I’m making an argument based on facts, and your argument is based on wild assumptions about me, based on my few paragraphs, not your actual thoughts. If you had good counter points then I would change my mind, but you don’t.

The problem isn’t the hand I was dealt with - it’s everyones. I have been lucky enough to have a not too bad, not too good existence but that never stopped me from looking at the less unfortunate to understand how they live. Do you want to talk about child prostitutes, slaves, people who have to scrape food from others trash cans to eat? Living in a coffin size “apartments” in Asian slums? People who have nowhere to eat, sleep, nowhere to call theirs? Who work with their hands in awful conditions for a life for millionaires they’d never mert? Aside from people, what about the countless dead animals, for sports, just fun etc? Had to die because their forests were taken and burned? Thousands of gallons of poison in all oceans, microplastics in our veins? What kind of virtue counter-acts this kind of destruction?

See, there are so many things that we do that require rage. I am not raging about my life, I am raging about the life we created in this world for ourselves and everything else. You may choose to bury your head in the sand and keep saying “oh, there’s a virtue, my life is worth living now” when you see another rainforest burning down, or another child murdered, that means you’re desensitised. You feeling good or bad about these things don’t change a damn thing.

Also, to make it clear, antinatalists are not terrorists or something lol, they oppose pain. They simply choose not to reproduce. This isn’t as extreme as any of you are making it to be.

What part of what I said is wrong, exactly?

There is nothing holding you back from being educated on the matter and making those observations yourself

Is it more depressing than humans killing everything in sight including a whole damn planet with no control over their greed?

What would you say if there was a bug that is able to live almost anywhere on earth, destroying the nearby environment and making animals go extinct, poisoning the water, sky, soil, leaving trash that’s radioactive, poison filled or very hard to degrade, while killing each other for profit and doing imaginably dark and amoral things?

We kill insects for doing a lot less. Yet when it comes to us, we’re free to harm everything and everyone, and when someone says “we should destroy this species, they’re dangerous!” They’re therapy worthy.

I think what’s therapy worthy is not being aware of even a fraction of the dark shit that goes on in the world and being content because their bubble holds up just fine and that’s all that matters. Its delusion of grandeur experienced by a whole species. Anyone who says otherwise is ridiculed and treated like they’re ill. Isn’t that convenient

You don’t believe science. Science is the process of understanding and learning about the universe. There is nothing to believe. If you agree you agree, if you disagree you prove otherwise. No dogmatism, rituals, beliefs, traditions are present unlike religions. So apples to oranges.

You can also choose to understand science if you invest enough time. You cannot, for example, see a god if you work hard. Again, apples to oranges.

This was an advice from my mom and for my first flat I ignored it. It ended up with landlord keeping the deposit because of some items we didn’t take with us. Mentioned items were a bunch of worthless trash he, so politely, asked us to keep in an unused room because he could need them later. After that I religiously documented every single detail & interaction with landlords(texts etc.) Saved my ass a bunch of times.

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Thanks for your reply. Would you mind if I sent you a DM then?

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Well, ok, someone feels like I do. What do you do then? How do you live?

Unfortunately I cannot access most of the things you listed because of a major surgery I had to get last month which also drained my finances. Sooo no i cannot exercise, cannot dance, cannot do photography as much as I love it, can’t see the birds/rivers/oceans etc. And cannot pay for any therapy.

I get what you mean but fixing my happiness to some activities I may or may not be able to do is not the mentality I can use at this situation. Your response is actually depressing for me, I think it would be a lot more depressing for someone who is permanently unable to do those things.

That’s another issue - I’ve felt hopeful or positive in many dark places of my life - and I don’t see how it helped me. I might be in the dark all my life for all I know. And be hopeful every second of it. Wouldn’t that be agony?

Not trying to pick on ya - I know you’re trying to help. Thanks for the reply.

I got an A52 just for that reason. Still using it. I wanted a S20 but they were sold out and I was told they stopped making it.

Yeah, that’s what it boils down to.

My train of thought was more directed towards trying to understand her mindset and why she converted.

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