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Cake day: July 5th, 2023

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  • I agree. Op reasoning is flawed in many ways: both the relation to generations, and the assumption that people who do x are destined to do y.

    The most infuriating part of this statement is the supposed relation to generations. It is yet another discriminatory behaviour which usually goes under the radar. Just like it happens within sexism, op has needlessly correlated things to age.


  • I can definitively agree on the explanation stated infering the second point. However, it is an aspect which needs further clarification, like op said: “someone else’s skin” is usualy interpreted as human directed (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/someone). This essentially introduces double meaning within the argument.

    In terms of vegetable tanning your best knowledge is correct, it costs more as it requires substantially more time thats why it is only used for higher end or artisan leather. Additionally, I have stated synthetic tanning which is comparable to vegetable, but not as bad as chromium.

    & the original person’s comment about chromium-salts looks spot-on, & was ignored by your counter.

    In regards to that, can you provide relevant information which details it?


  • While the conclusion of this argument is valid your premises don’t follow a logical sequence. Firstly, leather is defined as a material obtained from rawhide which is tanned (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leather) - this is real leather, there is no need for calls to ignorance here.

    Secondly, what do mean by referring to “someone else’s”? Because the common usage for such statements usually mean human, not non-human animals. This essentially looks like an emotional appeal at this point.

    Thirdly, you state that it is common for leather to be coated in plastic. While this is technically correct - as large portion of the market is composed of reusing scraps, it dismisses leather production from virgin rawhide and processes using vegetable or synthetic tanning which don’t need plastic for the resultant product.


  • But can we talk about how lasseiz faire we used to be about children online security.

    “Lasseiz faire” online security was applicable to all individuals, it wasnt directed to a specific group. It also makes no sense to look at what we used to do when online totalitarianism and discriminatory segregation is arguably causing more significant damage to everyone involved.



  • I agree, social media is harmful for all, no matter the age. We shouldn’t be destined to further segment and disfranchise individuals solely because they’re “inferior”, based on age or any other discriminatory factor - the thing is, who is the victim and who is the abuser in this case? Because the situation at hand seems like the victims are getting punished for the wrongdoings of the abuser.

    This is where we are at, the corporations flipped the script, and we as a society gulped it all down, tightening the handcuffs around the wrong hands.

    But besides the point, relating to the logic within your statement, who are you trying to ban here? Because you mention both “everyone” and “them” - which consequently makes it ambiguous, which introduces double meaning.