I feel like there’s a disconnect between “crime” and building communities of mutual aid, respect, and love. Also there’s an irony in focusing on the qualitative nature of property values in this kind of space? Regardless, the vast majority “crime” doesn’t really help anyone–stealing someone’s bike for resale is shitty, shoplifting from a local store is shitty (and tbh even the big ones bc then they pull out of the neighborhood, leaving us w/o a pharmacy), and tagging stuff up is a shitty exercise in ego-boosting. IDk, I think people have a right to feel safe in their communities no matter the affordability of housing

i feel like every time i try to watch weekend update that one guy (the one who isn’t scarjo’s husband) makes a misogynistic statement and everyone pretends like it’s a joke for some reason and i quit watching snl to do something much richer with my one wild life

What I’ve gathered from this thread is that it’s been spun into more rich racist bullshit.

i do think this is a mischaracterization that some people are pushing because it’s easy, though fundamentally untrue. imo, most of the people who originally cultivated and belonged to the idea were women (a lot of them queer) who were looking for way to find authenticity in a very artificial and consumerist world. it was people thrifting and gardening and baking, etc. i’m thinking back to tumblr like ten years ago when it was actually relevant and that’s what i can remember of it at least, that and a whole bunch of moodboards with pretty art and landscapes lol

but obviously, any time there’s money to be made, monied interests are going to come along and try to co-opt something. it’s why any hobby space is now filled with people posting about all the crap they buy for their hobby, instead of actually doing it. anyway, like i wrote in a much longer comment (which tbh feels like a futile use of time, as i forgot how fruitless arguing an idea on the internet actually is/feels), i don’t think it’s worthy of disdain, etc.

“wouldn’t it be wonderful if we all raised our children on books instead of screens and let them play outside in the fields with other kids and walked to the local market and farmed our own food"

yes. as an educator, let me repeat–yes. these are good things that are children would benefit from. doing the weird, rhetorical strategy of implying these ideas (or the people advocating for them) slide seamlessly into racism is just…weird. like, you can dislike cottagecore while also accepting that it wasn’t…“cryptofacist propaganda”

a few years back when i was more online, i was in a few cottagecore kind of spaces. they tended to be dominated by queer women and there was nothing particularly conservative or propagandistic about it. to me at least, it seemed to come organically from women who wanted to uplift things that were seen as outdated or stiffing or gender-stereotyped (threadwork, baking, gardening, etc.) as solutions to artificial and consumerist life. why buy fast fashion when you could thrift, mend, or make? why buy processed food from megacorps when you could grow your own ingredients and make food yourself? etc. and yeah, a lot of them were taking inspiration from the old american transcendentalists and brittish romantics, which you could say are colonialist, etc., but nothing is without fault and generally there are a lot of beautiful ideas from that era that can be taken into and discussed in the modern day, as we navigate tensions between technology and pastoralism (the machine in the garden, by leo marx, is an interesting bit of lit crit on this if you’re into that kind of thing). i’d say too that a lot of them were community minded, either through advocacy groups, spirituality (witches and theists alike), community gardens, etc.

maybe the vibes have shifted in the years since, as i feel like the “tradwife” has become a thing on tiktok. but like…the people i know irl who are cottagecorey aren’t on tiktok? they’re reading and spending time outside and crafting things. so if you’re getting the “cryptofacist propaganda” angle from that kind of thing, then I think we’re talking about two discreet movements that just have some aesthetic overlap. influencers are never gonna be authentic representations of any kind of group, but most of the cottagecore people i’ve known irl haven’t been rich in the slightest, they’ve actually mostly been retail workers or biology or lit grad students lol.

but ultimately…it would be wonderful if we were raising our kids on books instead of screens. anyone working in education can tell you that. and yeah, playing outside is good, actually. having a garden is also awesome, and being able to walk to the local market is doubly so. and the awesome part is, all those things can be done in the city, or the suburbs, or in rural america. they can be done in diverse communities built on compassion.

anyway, there are a lot of good things to be drawn from that whole subculture, imo