The first paragraph is literally the same “I can’t justify capitalism but the others are worse” argument again.

The society we live in is an employment based, market fundamentalist society. It just used to be a different kind of fundamentalist theocratic rule is all.

Instead of lashing out and calling it a silly caricature, you can just say “I just plain don’t like that.” It would have had the same effect.

That being said, how much money would it take for you to change your mind about existence being measured in terms of money alone being a silly caricature? Even if you were the type to give it all away, eventually, we would find a number. Not only that, you’d be a multi millionaire and, as such, on that basis alone, your existence would be judged as an inherently good one.

Thanks for explaining what a market is.

Its a good job we have such a thing to tell us that what we really want is to work most of our lives, mostly for someone else benefit, to endlessly produce things to a point that it destroys our planets ability to sustain life. Without such a devine oracle, we might have to ask difficult questions about what we’re doing and for whos benefit.

Its a good to know there must be such a high demand for inequality too. Without the justification of the invisible hand, we might have to think about morals and other gross stuff.

But, as you make such a good point about not being able to get rid of something and just making a black market for it, as justificationfor keeping the market in its current state

Well, that and slavery of course. If the argument works for one it works for both.

People’s theory is just fine. The problem for you is that they kept reading theory that was written after thr 1970s.

I’d say facsism is just capitalism when you try to say no.

As in literally, people tried to say no via socialism and then fascism was invented.

At some point we need to have a grown up conversation about the finite nature of land, specifically land that people can live on and find work from.

This “the rich make up the rules and lets pretend land will never run out” nonsense clearly isn’t working for anyone but the rich.

Great if you own property and or buy labour though.

Somehow they’ve got the world convinced that its “tha left”, and not wealthy businesses, who want and benefit from this, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Thats fair, advertising and marketing departments traditionally tend to fair far better under capitalist systems.

(Capitalism is a) brutal state of affairs, profoundly inegalitarian - where all existence is evaluated in terms of money alone - is presented to us as ideal. To justify their conservatism, the partisans of the established order cannot really call it ideal or wonderful. So instead, they have decided to say that all the rest is horrible. Sure, they say, we may not live in a condition of perfect Goodness. But we’re lucky that we don’t live in a condition of Evil. Our democracy is not perfect. But it’s better than the bloody dictatorships. Capitalism is unjust. But it’s not criminal like Stalinism. We let millions of Africans die of AIDS, but we don’t make racist nationalist declarations like Milosevic. We kill Iraqis with our airplanes, but we don’t cut their throats with machetes like they do in Rwanda, etc.

Edit: In this they take on the posture of a severely depressed person who views hope as a dangerous delusion.

Much like in real life, see them off with large groups of light cavalry. Meet them on their own terms with something that can chase them down and mob them.

Edit: but yeah, I find them to be largely ineffective or game breaking and nothing in-between.

They’ll dead ass look you in the eye and tell you that the colour red doesn’t exist, without a single fuck given.

So telling me trump has said hell stop the genocide?

Israel is running for the US presidency?

I don’t mean to be a prude but that seems a little unconventional.

Considering your history, you’re going to need to be a lot more specific here.

They think the only thing holding us back from a race war where we kill all the non-whites is our access to electricity.

I think it genuinely doesn’t even cross their minds that the vast majority of all the other people aren’t violent, racist monsters.

Well, its more than one side cares that their candidate might be sundowning whereas the other side wouldn’t care if trump fucked and killed their mum.

Its the consistency with which they would eat at least a pound of it a week that caused the problem.

Quite how something thats 50% fat can be sold as a health food is the real puzzle here.

“A pound or two each week”

Thats your problem right there. The next step up from peanut butter, in terms of calories (particularly fats) per kg is actual butter or lard. Its about 50% fat.

I imagine the rest is second hand regurgitation of info they dont really understand.

‘Satan 2 missile’

“Ivan, are we the baddies?”

Almost everything your brain decides is affected by things outside of it.

We are a mixture of chemical desires and social + cultural outputs. Free will is an illusion. Its been done. Philosophers did to to free will what they did to God and capitalism.

That kind of honesty is early always the way with people from regular etc. backgrounds who made it. Probably because they’re surrounded by people who worked just as hard as they did but, through no fault of their own, never stood a chance of making it through bad luck.

But then you’ll get some nepobaby, whos had over a million spent on their education, claiming to be a genius for earning a million in their lives, despite only (at best) breaking even.

Or worse, somone like Elon who was given enough free capital that he didn’t need to spend on loving to keep spread betting until he got lucky acting like it was all down to him alone and no one else could have done what he did.