Completely wrong target for GrapheneOS. The GrapheneOS demographics, which I belong to, isn’t interested in high-end phones. They want a no nonsense simple phone with lots of storage and security first design.
- fancy AMOLED screen: don’t care
- 5 fancy cameras: don’t care
- super powerful CPU and GPU: don’t care
- storage space: yes please, I have photos and music to store locally!
This will be harmful to GrapheneOS project. It will go like this: no one buys the phone because it’s too damn expensive and full of features the privacy needs like me don’t care about. Even fewer buy the phone with GrapheneOS pre-installed and it’s a total flop. Motorola stops the partnership saying “we did it and no one wanted it”. No other OEM wants to partner with GrapheneOS after that.
Yeah no, even the 300-350€ (don’t remember it exactly anymore) I spent on my Pixel 9a were overpriced to me, I don’t even need half of the storage, RAM and CPU speed in here. We really need way less capable but equally as secure phones, who the fuck needs that much computing power to browse websites and write on Signal?
F*ck me, 2000 dollars?! I really wanted to give this a go, but def not for that amount of money
Well … guess I’m still going to be stuck with used older pixels. There’s no way in hell I’m spending 1900€ for a goddamn phone.
I recently ordered a Pixel 10a. Wasn’t too sure about about the future with Motorola phones in terms of GrapheneOS. With that price tag, it looks like a better decision for now…
I like GrapheneOS but I don’t like it that much. 2 thousand dollars… Good damn.
Well, this is defintely not good for the GrapheneOS project. they’ve already been criticized for being only accessible by techbros and people with sufficient resources to buy a Pixel. A lot of people were assuming a lower price from Motorola. This is crazy.
I just bought a pixel 10a open box for like $350.
Like I get some people are stuck on Walmart specials, but how cheap does it need to be before its not considered a purchase for the privileged by you?
Well, its not just the money, its the fact that it is a Google product. Many of us, outside the USA don’t trust anything that Google produces, including Android itself (which is why degoogled phones are a thing) nor do we want to fuel the techno fascists running the company.
Grapheme runs tests on googles firmware regularly.
If it was actively doing something it shouldnt, they’d notice.
You could argue there could be something hidden in the firmware for use by the state when they REALLY REALLY REALLY want to get into something, and are willing to blow a good backdoor on it. But that’s also something you deal with on any modern PC, unless you wanna party like its 2011 and run an old FX-Series AMD chip, or a librebooted machine with ME Cleaner. (See Intel ME/AMD PSP)
The pixel is still a product of Google that Google benefits from when you purchase it. Some if us want to avoid contributing to their power as much as we can. Not purchasing a Pixel one of those choices.
Android needs to be replaced as well. I still hold hope for mobile Linux.
Google doesn’t own the PC market.
How brainrotted do you have to be to spend that much on a phone with a sealed in 2-year battery?
I thought that’s not even legal to sell in the EU anymore
That requirement applies from products released starting February 18, 2027 so afaik it released just in time to not be required by law to be user replacable.
Silicon-carbon batteries can last up to 7–10 years.
Surely at that price point it is designed to last 8-10 years.
What’s that, it has a glued-in 2 year lithium battery?
I really hope that the Pixel 12’s will be supported again by GrapheneOS or a cheaper option will be made by Motorola. Otherwise I will have to keep my Pixel 10 with Graphene alive forever (?). I do not expect there to be a real second-hand market for this Device to get your hand on one for cheap.
This was already reported. Expensive flagships will release first, with more affordable devices to follow. Motorola already makes some of the best budget devices.
And how do you finance the high and long lasting firmware maintenance required by Graphene OS, to stay secure? Is there any anouncement even suggesting that in a reasonable timeline or are you merely engaging in wishful thinking. I’d be surprised if they ever went below midrange with a GrapheneOS device.
The fact that a phone costs that much is still completely heinous and sets the bar WAY too fucking high.
Or it tells you how much the hardware costs without the manufacturer offsetting the price with the level of data collection and ads they can sell from it?
Or, more realistically, Motorola doesn’t move a ton of volume compared to Google, Samsung, or Apple so i imagine they aren’t getting amazing bulk pricing on high end parts for this
I believe this is logical. Most realistically feelings>logic on lemmy. Probably some poor ass who feels threatened
Security isn’t for poor people I guess
It reality hhh
It’s annoying because I’ve gotten very security-conscious over the last year, but shit like this makes it feel like I can’t achieve what I want unless I get rich.
Buy a second hand or refurb pixel. That’s what I did. Google already got paid, sure, but you don’t give them anything more. It’s not perfect, but it’s an economical solution that doesn’t break the bank and still gets you security. At this point, if you don’t want big tech, may I suggest two tin cans and a string? if you do that, at least Del Monte doesn’t get the recycling deposit back on their empty green bean receptacles.
I can’t achieve what I want unless I get rich.
Welcome to life.
I mean, you can get a refurbished unlocked pixel 8 straight from google for $380 and put grapheme on it… Even less if you buy a used phone or third party refurb.
$380’s still a bit steep in my position right now, but I appreciate the ideas. Thank you!
You can try other opensource system depend on your phone
Almost all the other ones are reportedly worse at security than the stock OS, only Graphene is more apparently. At least according to their team, I know they trash Lineage and E a lot.
Try to buy pixel 8 or 9 it’s a little cheapest
Honestly right now my heads at riding out the rest of this phone’s contract (It was a Galaxy A16 I got for free because I needed desperately off my old, end of life S9) and switching to iPhone, cuz that has almost all the security but none of the breakage of a custom rom.
Sigh, I guess I’m interested based on the brand and the OS. But that’s hard to swallow. I really want this sort of product. I guess they have to make up for all the kickbacks they won’t be getting from the bloatware that will no longer be there.
That’s the phone price irrelevant of what OS it has. Graphene team said cheaper compatible models are coming.
Dude WHY!? That’s more expensive than the Steam Frame with accessories!
- 4 nm Snapdragon® 8 Gen 3 - ARM64
- 16GB Unified LPDDR5X RAM
- 256GB UFS storage, microSD card slot
- Rechargeable 21.6 Wh Li-ion battery
- 2160 x 2160 LCD (per eye)
- 72-144Hz refresh rate (144Hz experimental)
- Inside-out camera based tracking
- Headset: Wi-Fi 7, 2x2, Dual Radios
- Wireless Adapter Included (Wi-Fi 6E)
- Bluetooth 5.4
- Dual speaker drivers per ear, dual microphone array
- SteamOS 3
- Steam Frame Controllers – full 6-DOF and gamepad controls
- Half-Life: Alyx included
…so, how come the phone costs twice as much as the steam frame?
Look! We tried it, and nobody will buy it!!! Nothing to see here, back to stealing everyone’s data!
Yeah, I’m thinking this too. The old "but we gave the option to people, but people just don’t care."
The “option” :
Off the top of my head I’m guessing that the cost isn’t being subsidized by data mining and certain social media companies paying for their apps to be impossible to completely remove.
Ah yes, unrepairable overpriced slop in collaboration with toxic narcissist nerds.
