You know without that circle I would never have known where to read
I kept rereading the time stamp and view count for a solid 20 minutes trying to figure out the point of the post until I finally saw the tiny red circle buried in all of that white background. Damn near impossible to see.
There is a red circle?
Yeah, but you basically need a tunneling electron microscope to see the thing
Here, does this help
Yes thank you so much
You’re welcome. I would do anything for you.
In the age of deepfakes, no way I’d make that video and submit it with all the other personal details I’d be putting into the application forms. That’s a recipe for ID theft.
Obvious -plot-twist: the entire thing is a phishing scam.
Just send a rickroll and be done with it.
I hate this so much.
If you want to do a video interview, sure. But I’m not going to willingly give you a recording of myself without clear use terms.
How long are these files retained? Is this video subject to data privacy laws? Since they’re requesting it be uploaded elsewhere, how many 3rd parties am I involving myself with by the end of this interview process?
Not to mention, we live in the era of deepfakes for voice and video. Do I have any gaurentee that this won’t be used to train some AI model somewhere?
This level of hoop-jumping pre-employment should be made illegal on par with hazing laws. Not everyone can afford to be picky about potential employment.
It’s not just about what they can use the video for. This also lets them screen for a lot of protected classes without actually asking about them. Your name and resume don’t convey your skin color, your accent doesn’t come out in your work history, nobody can make guesses about your sexuality based on your work email address, but these all become much more easy to discriminate against with a video. All under the pretext of “We didn’t like their answer to the question.”
And you don’t even get the context of an interview to defend yourself.
All excellent points.
I understand others, but your sexuality? If you’re not literally wearing a pride flag, how could they work that one out just from a video of you?
Stereotypes. A few that come to mind:
An affectation like a lisp
A buzzcut
An androgynous appearance
Bigots always have their ways. Even if it bunches metrosexuals in with actual homosexuals, and makes for all sorts of other stupid lack of nuance takes, a bigot doesn’t care, because they’re always right. If they thought their view could be wrong, they’d be less likely to be a bigot.
Your name and resume don’t convey your skin color
Your name is (usually) a pretty big giveaway for your ethnicity, and in most countries it’s the norm to have a picture of yourself on your resume
In the US, it certainly isn’t. It’s viewed as a red flag for a US company to ask for a photo unless the job is something where appearance is an important quality like actor or model. I think the US grapples with this kind of discrimination more than many of the countries where it’s the norm.
If you want to know what I look like, bring me in for an in person interview.
We recommend using loom.com for this
Loom is an AI company. You have a guarantee that it will be used to train an AI model.
Doesn’t actually say the video has to be of you; just to submit a video response.
3 min loop of the “this is fine” dog redone as a gif would be my response.
Not everyone can afford to be picky about potential employment.
I was talking to a friend about a company that treats its employees poorly and he said “Well, they chose to work there,” and I wanted to give him a lecture about how sometimes people have to choose between a shitty job and the streets.
Assuming this in America, I love how illegal this request is.
I’ve been asked illegal questions, like “what is your current salary” in job applications before. I like to respond by calling it out and leaving a link to a source. I’ve never gotten a response from those applications though…
They probably use that to filter out people who know their rights.
Sounds like an employer that needs investigated by several departments.
That’s illegal? The income question was on every single application I filled out when I was younger. When did it become illegal?
It is in CA, which is where both I and the company I was applying for were based at the time
Hmm, I lived in California for a long time and companies definitely asked on a regular basis. Do you know when it was made illegal?
According to the link I posted in a different reply in this thread, at least since 2018. But also just because something is illegal doesn’t mean companies won’t do it.
Ah okay, this was long before 2018.
“How much money are you looking for in this role” is very common. “How much are you making right now” is not allowed.
This depends entirely on where you are. This article is from last year, so it could have changed since then, but there is no federal prohibition on requesting your current pay in an interview, @[email protected]
Love the swing states with preemptive laws on the books to prevent progress
How is it even legal to pass a law saying you can’t regulate this thing? That seems highly contestable.
Probably for the same reason its perfectly legal for a state with republican controlled state senate to hold a post-election lame duck session where they shove through a bunch of legislation limiting the powers of the state governor because their guy happened to lose the election
California definitely used to have a shit load of companies asking for salary history. Idk if the law has changed, or if it’s just not enforced.
Didn’t expect my state on here. It’s a routine question in interviews
I’ve been asked illegal questions, like “what is your current salary” in job applications before. I like to respond by calling it out and leaving a link to a source.
Ok, where is said source?
(Given both I and the company I was applying for were CA based at the time)
For the lazy:
- May a prospective employer ask me what I am currently paid or was paid in the past?
Effective January 1, 2018, Labor Code section 432.3 prohibits an employer from, either orally or in writing, personally or through an agent, asking any information concerning an applicant’s salary history information, which includes compensation as well as benefits. Furthermore, the law prohibits an employer from relying on an applicant’s salary history information as a factor in determining whether to offer employment at all or in determining what salary to offer.
That’s a good new-ish law for California! I doubt people in most other states are similarly protected.
It’s the perfect crime. Most people don’t realize it’s illegal and those that do either don’t have the resources to fight it or don’t want the exposure.
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Right to Work State, baby! We can do whatever we want good luck getting the Federalist Society Judge who fields your case to agree anything untoward happened.
My job application will demand a pair of your used underwear for me to evaluate with my nostrils and you will do it or you will not get the job.
You’re thinking of employment at will. Right to work laws prevent making payment of union dues a requirement for employment.
I mean uploading an image of yourself and not getting a job is pretty solid evidence of discrimination that no corporation wants the media to hear.
“Since our corporation maintains an office in Texas, we’ve had your case moved to a Texas court district with exactly one judge who just so happened to be appointed by trump to rule for corporations, enjoy running it up to the SCOTUS judges I take on cruises with me”
Time to pick a random minority one can pass as, record the most stereotypical video ever, and then get an employment attorney on speed dial
Nobody’s going to take that case unless you have enough money to fund this as a vanity project. The conservative stacked courts will dismiss it out of hand and you’ll be fighting your way uphill through a sea of increasingly hostile appellates.
You’d have better luck posting this shit to social media and trying to name/shame the business at hand. But even that is likely a dead-end, given how inundated with corporate flaks and civility police the modern social media ecosystem has become.
How is it illegal?
I couldn’t find any legal cases about “uploading an image or video of yourself”. But Google is awful so getting any sort of results is a massive pain. That doesn’t mean a case exists but employers do discriminate based on applicant names. Uploading an image would allow employers to filter out people they don’t want to hire based on income, disability, race, etc. That’s what’s illegal. Unfortunately, American laws related to technology are nonexistent.
https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-employment-policiespractices
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Almost certainly the video will be fed into a platform that determines “worker quality via microexpressions”. I know because I’ve worked closely with the software provider before. It’s obviously all pseudoscientific bullshit, but employers love that kind of stuff.
Which is really just a system you can use to discriminate with plausible deniability: We didn’t not hire people because of X protected characteristic; the “scientific” computer program never selected them as a quality worker.
If you build your biases into a computer program, they’re still your biases, even if it’s not intentional.
While I don’t think that’s a hot take, good luck proving that’s happening without extensive legal costs.
Oops! All biases
The Captain doesn’t make those kinds of Oops.
I do love some computerized eugenics though
Then do I know the city for you!
Yeah I think if I would get this question I’m going to ask chatgpt to come up with a skit with how my life has been rainbows and peaches and see how the bots compete
On top of the protected class bypass a required video provides, we all know where that fucked up question is going in our American corpo language.
“I just see a lifetime of adversity as an opportunity to work even harder for my economic betters, herp derp!”
The same shit universities have been doing for ages, for the same reasons.
Same reason the opinion of virtually every prominent US economist is antethetical to the interests of most Americans.
Upload something where the first 5 seconds is someone apparently doing that, then instantly cut into hardcore porn with extra loud noise
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This is to keep people from actually applying, right?
It’s a “how desperate are you” application question.
Ahh that makes sense too
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Ironically, a well known video hosting site (not necessarily loom, never heard of it) probably has better data retention policies than a random company’s WorkDay site.
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What’s that? A website is asking for public randos to upload meatspin and any other videos found from the internet to their servers for review where HR will need to watch them. I give this form 3 months to live if you share the url
Unless this is for some kind of public speaking position, I would instantly drop the application and not apply to the company again
Nah. You find this in the wild you gotta troll em a bit. Just do the Carlton for 3 minute with Never Gonna Let You Down playing in the background.
Yeah this reeks of discrimination and exploitation.
Or upload some kinda freaky shit.
This is on the state unemployment departments website in order to be eligible for unemployment cheques
I saw something similar on a customer service job
Here’s a video capture of scrolling down my resume and cover letter very slowly.
This is almost guaranteed to be used to deny minorities a position.
“Hi, we detected high levels of melanin in this video. This is illegal, and we are sending around trained professionals to subdue you. Please listen to this soothing music as you wait.”
“The police have been dispatched. Please lay on the floor in the ass beating receiving position and avoid any sudden movements such as sitting in your recliner or taking a nap.”
