• stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net
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    3 months ago

    A lot of people in this thread are deliberately missing the point because they don’t want to hear it.

    They want to live in independent suburban homes, in isolated subdivisions where you can only get to jobs or groceries or social events by car, with big yards soaked in pesticides so they don’t have bugs in their houses, etc, etc.

    They want to live high consumption lifestyles. They don’t want to live in resource efficient, high density housing because they imagine it will reduce their standard of living.

    So they nitpick the image and make up reasons why it’s unrealistic because they don’t want to admit the kinds of homes seen on the left are unsustainable and unrealistic in the long term.

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      3 months ago

      I don’t have to imagine, I’ve lived in both, it is a reduced standard of living and saying it isn’t is a lie. I’ve seen pictures of how you people want us to live, Hong Kong and Tokyo exist. I’d rather die of exposure in the woods than be forced into a coffin sized little apartment room that the poors get there.

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            I did some quick research, I looked for cheap living spaces in Tokyo, and then in Austin. For Tokyo, I found this: https://www.villagehouse.jp/en/rent/kanto/tokyo/hachioji-shi-132012/kobiki-3019/#3DK-5-503/ 50m^2, for about 400$ a month, less than 5 minute walk to the train station, where you can take a train towards the center of Tokyo.

            For Austin, Texas, I searched on Zillow for living spaces in Austin, TX under 600$. I found this: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/400-E-6th-St-Austin-TX-78701/2057083232_zpid/? About 11m^2, for 450$ a month. To be fair, it’s in the center of Austin, but I didn’t limit my search to the center of Austin. And unlike Tokyo, Austin is not known for having great public transit, so you can’t save money by forgoing a car.

            In conclusion, chances are if you’re low income, you’ll have more space Tokyo.

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              I don’t want to live in either 20 foot box. Hard pass. Thank you for making my point.

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                So you don’t know that 50 > 11? You’re supposed to have learned this in 1st grade.

                Edit: Sorry I just realized that given your level of education, I can’t assume you know what “>” means. It means “is larger than”. “50 > 11” means “50 is larger than 11”. Or completely in words “Fifty is larger than eleven”.

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                  3 months ago

                  Yes 50 is bigger, and yet I still prefer a house. 20 feet by 20 feet. Woo hoo.