• Furbag@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      It’s more cynicism than defeatism. People from the United States have pushed for these kinds of common sense reforms for our entire lives and we still have nothing to show for it.

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        1 year ago

        He means basically you are shitting on the people actually trying to change things for the better. Your basic claim is that for some unknown reasons nothing can ever change. This is not the only way things can be, this is not the way things have always been. Change is possible.

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          1 year ago

          If yall think bernie sanders is going to make real change, y’all weren’t paying attention to the 2020 presidential race. Im oversimplifyng but Bernie had overwhelming support for Democratic Presidential nomination and the DNC went with Biden. This and a career long history of being overlooked. I would vote for bernie and his policies if ever made it anywhere but into memes.

          Your basic claim is that for some unknown reasons nothing can ever change.

          No. My claim that the US governemnt is not designed to bring about useful and rapid change. Prove me wrong.

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            1 year ago

            The Democratic Party is a lot more moderate than you think. I voted for Bernie, he lost.

            Bernie is a shining example of progressive ideals that has shifted the landscape. But he never going to get the support of the majority of Democrats.

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              1 year ago

              Bernie is a shining example of progressive ideals that has shifted the landscape. But he never going to get the support of the majority of Democrats.

              Lol my student loans got shifted alright.

              Statements like these reaffirm my political stances. This system is working as intended and its miserable af. Lol

              This is why i am an anarchist.

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                1 year ago

                You know Biden is pushing for debt relief right? That’s Bernie shifting the landscape. Shift it enough, and you’ll get someone like Bernie.

                Unless you want to go back to '90s Republican-lite Democrats.

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                  1 year ago

                  You know Biden is pushing for debt relief right?

                  Yeah let me know when that happens. When he was running he was gonna cancel it! Thats the bernie shift that I want.

                  Unless you want to go back to '90s Republican-lite Democrats.

                  Are shitty democrats now and shitty democrats 30 years ago the extent of your political imagination?

        • ItchySunItchyKnee@lemmy.world
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          Thanks for clarifying much better than I would be able to :) this is exactly what I meant and also the reason I added I’m not from the US, as not to step on anyone’s toes.

          Change is definitely possible. It has been happening for as long as I have been following American politics. Though the change has been (in my opinion) mostly in favour of rich old people. This should only strengthen our resolve to change things for the better.