Y’all remember when Windows 10 was supposedly their last OS?
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From what I remember that quote was taken out of context.
I could see that. It felt like a weird thing to say. Oh well. My next OS is going to be Linux if I ever get around to buying a new computer. I’ve been “doing it soon” for a few years lol.
You don’t necessarily need a new computer, you could get a new SSD, install Linux there and dual boot for a while.
Very true, but some context, I have a 3080 or 3070 GPU but a CPU from 2009 and a 5400 RPM hard drive with steam games. I’d get like 20 FPS in Elder Ring on lowest settings. My CPU has become a major bottle neck. Over the years I’ve upgraded everything else but that because that essentially means an entirely new PC
Poor GPU, the rest of the team can’t keep up
“Don’t worry, I’ll have those textures loaded to VRAM in no time! … any minute!”
the last one you “buy”, anyway.
I remember reading about that and it is some subscription fee to get replacements. I always wonder if someone is still paying lol
That was so hilariously either ignorant or deceitful when they said that.
I reread that quote (in context) many times, and I’ve concluded that it was a poor choice of words. He meant “latest”. He was talking about Windows 10, the latest Windows OS, in a time where XP, 8, 8.1, Vista, and 7 were still maintained to some degree. I wish so much that Win10 would have been the last Windows OS…
now that gaming is getting better on Linux thanks to proton, I am unbothered
Exactly what I was thinking.
VR Support is sorely lacking, though. And no, the Quest standalone is not a solution - it’s an android phone strapped to your face.
The Valve Index works natively on Linux.
Virtual Desktop / Oculus does not
Seriously. I’ve been using Windows for years and every time I’ve tried to move it’s games that stopped me. Proton is literally a game changer. I’m not a hardcore Guild Wars 2 player but I play daily. The game ruins flawlessly with Proton.
Valve 👏
First of all they’re going to have to release a distro which actually has, shock horror, proprietary drivers installed on it, because your average user isn’t going to understand how to install them.
I’ve said this a few times but no one wants to hear it, I understand why they can’t have proprietary drivers, but the fact that they don’t have them is a major reason as to why Linux isn’t more mainstream.
I understand why they can’t have proprietary drivers
Who can’t have them? 90-some percent of Linux distributions make them available to those who are unfortunate enough to need them.
Good thing Linux ships with AMD drivers by default, no install necessary. Nvidia will have to get off their asses and make their drives less of a pile of dog shit though.
So some drivers are not installed like I said
I’m not casting judgement on whether the drivers are good or not I’m merely pointing out that they’re not preinstalled and a lot of people don’t even know what a driver is.
If Linux isn’t out of the box simple easy like Windows people are never going to switch to it no matter how terrible Microsoft become. They will go to Apple before they go to Linux.
Hang on…
Some distros (mint, Ubuntu) prompt the user to install proprietary drivers during the installation process, it’s very easy.
On Windows you have to download the latest drivers from the manufacturers website and install them manually, that’s crazy!
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So some drivers are not installed like I said
No, you said:
First of all they’re going to have to release a distro which actually has, shock horror, proprietary drivers installed on it, because your average user isn’t going to understand how to install them.
You’re moving the goalposts.
It’s called Linux MInt.
Debian comes with proprietary drivers now
I think it comes with proprietary firmware, not drivers.
Apologies, mixed up the terms in my head
I look forward to welcoming all the new Linux users 🙂
I look forward to all the complaints on how linux isn’t like windows. :)
Will you? Do you? To have and to hold? In sickness and in health?
as always, Microsoft is the biggest advertiser of Linux
Apart from the fact that it’s a bullshit headline cobbled together from half truths to tickle your anger glands… sure.
And still Linux is nowhere close to being a usable desktop OS experience. I’d pick Mac over Linux any day.
with respect, have you honestly tried desktop linux? what do you consider about it difficult?
I keep trying it on and off since before suse/opensuse and redhat/fedora split.
From someone who’s first distro was slackware: it has nothing to do with difficulty. Linux, even the most user friendly distros, kinda stuck for a regular non tech savy users
I actually agree with you and I think I like it like that. It’s like our own little language that nobody else speaks.
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A pretty minor mistake for a non-native speaker. Thanks though :)
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You are not a regular user. You are tech heavy user. I have spent enough time with Linux (my fav distro used to be Slackware), and it’s not ready for general consumption.
I would disagree. There are distros out there that make it so easy. Especially with flatpak. I think it’s not 100% user friendly, but neither is windows. If you can’t use Mint Cinnamon, you probably can’t use windows well either. That means you’re just using the web, email, and office for the most part anyway. With package manager gui interfaces, it’s easier to find things with Linux than windows. I think I could show my grandma Linux more easily than windows nowadays. A normal user will get around without ever having to think about PPAs or anything like that.
Linux gives you the ability to be your own system admin.
Most people don’t want or need that and have been steadily handing over more and more admin duties of their systems to Microsoft, Apple and Google since smartphones have become widely adopted.
But Linux is totally usable to anyone who had enough admin skills to run Windows XP and not get totally wrecked by malware. It’s just a matter of learning.
This makes sense for the edge case of power users. The general use case of Windows won’t learn to be their own sysadmin.
Only power users want to be their own system admins. A regular user just wants stuff to work.
Linux is unusable for general population.
my only gripe with linux is… gaming. Not the AAA titles which usually run pretty well, the indie games.
they are usually full of small but frustrating issues.
Like for example steam overlay is broken in celeste due to xna/amd bug which makes is frustrating while using big picture mode/gamepadui.
People playground just does not work. at all. immediately crashes with an unknown unity error.
stormworks? random freezes after minifying or switching virtual desktops if running under xwaylandThat shouldn’t be a gripe on Linux, it should be a gripe on game developers not supporting Linux. This is like blaming Nintendo when your Switch emulator on the PC isn’t working right.
Had me in the first half not gonna’ lie.
It’s a fun way to trigger modern Linux fanboys who have no idea that Mac OS is a UNIX compliant system that pretty much originated on BSD codebase.
Using Mac OS is about as good of an experience as taking a hammer to my fingers.
Now imagine it is still less suffering than Linux.
Then what the fuck did I do over past 2 years?
Yes, because you are definitely a regular computer user who has no idea what sh is.
And there’s NeoWin again with the Windows 12 clickbaits. This “leak” is just Windows 11 IoT Enterprise Subscription, and there’s absolutely nothing nowhere that even mentions the number 12.
Yeah, this seems like the kind of thing they’d try to push on Business/Pro+ users, where management is willing to fork out absurd amounts of money monthly as long as the per-seat price can be vaguely justified. Doing this for home users would just be dumb. Plenty of people would see the monthly subscription and go “eh I don’t need a computer, I can just use my phone.”
But… But… But… Russian propaganda! Microsoft bad, Linux good!
Y’all really need to actually click the article and read the first sentence. This has nothing to do with Windows 12, and even Neowin has clarified that right at the top in an update.
Microsoft is a bad company, but it’s a little worrying when someone can just say some random things in a title and have it be believed without question, just because it paints Microsoft in a negative light.
It’s more that MS has leaned into the subscription model with Office 365 and such.
Windows is already kind of a “Freemium” OS, so I’m expecting them to continue in that fashion. Your are right, the article is mostly pointless speculation that was refuted anyways, but I’ll admit it sounded a bit off to me anyways. MS wants people to be running Windows, so they can seem then GamePass subscriptions, Office365 subscriptions, and whatever other services they can think of. As such, I expect the core OS to be very free. Just what constitutes core functionality versus Premium features might change.
It is very worrying that they’ve detained destroyed their reputation so much that any negative news about them is automatically believable.
Let me introduce you to humans; tell them anything and at least one person will believe it. Get enough of them together and you too can have such crazy beliefs as: sky daddy is real and you make him angry, the earth is flat, the earth is a doughnut, the earth is hollow, you have 5g chips inside your body that allow you to be mind controlled, lizard people.
Need I go on?…
They’re too smart to do this …
More likely they will make the base OS free and charge for the premium SaaS features … like they already do with one drive, O365 and game pass
Yeah that seems like the more likely move, have a free tier that starts off decent and a premium tier with ‘power features’ or whatever, and then slowly drift almost everything over to the ‘premium’ tier until in a few years you won’t be able to change your desktop wallpaper without paying. That definitely sounds like the MS way to me.
they’ve already done various low-cost or no-cost (to the oem) windows editions that you can’t change wallpaper, or default search engine, stripped out utility programs included in ‘regular’ editions, and even one that limited multitasking, disabled some network functions, and had hard limits on ram and total disk space.
Is that what Win 10 X was? I thought it was supposed to be a light build
windows 8 ‘with bing’, and ‘starter’ editions of earlier versions, are the ones that came to mind.
YUP! And then something like a 1 year free demo when you buy a computer from an OEM … to make sure all the normies get used to it.
Right of the M$ playbook.
I for once can’t wait, it’s going to be a fun dumpster fire to watch
Seems a dumb way to destroy the desktop PC market.
People will feel scammed that after one year everything needs a subscription, will dump that shit on eBay, prices will crash, and the market will be dominated by iPads with mouse and keyboards
They may still for enterprise customers.
The year of the linux desktop is coming for real this time…!
Linux usage on pc jumps to 72%
Once Linux figures out a better way to install apps to other drive without causing the user to figure out complex systems it will start closing the gap.
It’s called a graphical app store. Most distros meant for desktop usage that come with a desktop GUI have a software store. IIRC KDE’s Discover even has Flatpak support which leads to a higher variety of apps.
Otherwise, you can install an AppImage, or just a .deb file if you’re running something Debian-based.
I’ve not once seen a software store app (besides something like steam) ask me where to install stuff. Discover, Software Manager, etc. They all just install stuff, typically from the official repos but maybe from flatpak but none of them actually let you change where to install something.
binaries (executables) go in
/usr/bin, flatpaks are installed in their own sandboxes, appimages are wherever you put them.the shortcuts in application menus go in
/usr/share/applicationsas .desktop files which link to the app, so the user generally won’t have to worry about where the executable is.why would the app store ask you where to install stuff??
Because a lot of people have multiple drives. I have 2tb of storage across 4 drives. I want to use all of my drives, not just one. This is a very common workflow. Linux has never truly supported it.
I love when one of the richest companies on Earth (2nd by market cap, only behind Apple) just doesn’t make enough money that they need to consider this bullshit. Fuck this infinite profit growth. This is so fucking stupid. Everything is a god damn subscription. Gotta wring out every penny from our customers as the good Lord intended.
it’s getting pretty insane isn’t it? more and more obvious to the average person how consumer-unfriendly capitalism is
yes it does seem that way, but have you considered that maybe we should just all give all of our money to Microsoft and then just die of poverty? It would make their reports look so much nicer.
rip windows; thank you valve and proton
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Choose either blue(Debian) or Fedora(RHEl)
Or choose btw (Arch)
I like Arch, but I don’t think it’s a good fit for the fed up with Windows crowd.
Cool, even more reason to stick with 10 as long as I can. Enshitify everything, who even cares anymore?
And you’ll still hear “Well I know everything about Windows sucks and now I’m being charged out the ass, but I refuse to even consider switching because [one particular game doesn’t work / I’m used to it]”
I was asked why I can’t switch to Linux, so I replied listing the software I require Windows for, and then was called a fanboy and downvoted heavily…
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It appears that the other guy didn’t call you a fanboy. He implied that you might be a troll, before you’d listed that software and after you’d called him a fanboy.
But yeah, it’ll probably be a while before there’s a Linux version of Adobe Illustrator, and the alternatives are different enough that it’d be a lot of work to switch even if it’s otherwise practicable.
May I ask what sw is on that list?
Man, that was a wild ride. Thanks for the link.
Yes, that’s lemmy for you. You happened to point out something in a way that showed some frustration and people started attacking you for it.
They are either 12 or 42 and live in their mothers basement with linux as their whole identity. They don’t read thoroughly nor do they accept criticism.
I‘ve encountered them before. Don’t worry. If this makes you feel bad, consider wording your comments differently.
Maybe expand a bit on why and don’t answer to obvious troll questions, at least not honestly, like the implication that you‘re using pirated windows.
A complete moron could have seen that you were just frustrated with seeing no way out of windows and getting it blindly suggested still. That is not your fault.
Which is dumb. We want adoption, because there’s no other way that software will be portrs to Linux. I’m all for a libre base operating system, but I REALLY want some commercial software to be officially supported under Linux.
That Bitwig is supported under Linux is a godsend for beatmakers and producers, but I want Ableton Live on Linux :( and also Affinity Designer. Inkscape is nice, and so is Krita, but there is no serious desktop publishing apps on Linux that focuses on usability AND productivity.
The more users there are though, the bigger the chance is…
So don’t listen to those bastard’s. A bunch of self-defeatists. May I suggest Vanilla 2.0 when it’s finished? :) Then you can try to run some of that software using Wine Bottles…
…which doesn’t work for Affinity Designer :(
Remember that these are the same people that used to not think twice about $150 for Windows and Office added to their PC or laptop purchase price.
Personally, the only reason I don’t fully switch to Linux is because of the Adobe Suite, but other than that, I would absolutely make the switch. I’m hoping that if this promopts enough people to make the switch, then Adobe will finally make versions of their Programs for Linux.
Realistically wasm gets good enough, that everything starts to become a webapp so that every app is an every os app.
Monkey’s paw: now every app becomes subscription based
Have you tried it on VM or wine and stuff? Try dual booting to test it out.
Have you used a gpu intensive application in a VM with good performance?
Adobe software quite heavily relies on cuda or OpenCL.
Not the poster above, but just wondering here. I don’t use Adobe products. I can see a VM not being the best. How about Wine? Can you just install Photoshop via vutris and go?
No, unfortunately. If it was possible, I think we could have gotten everyone that is stuck on Windows because of Adobe, over to Linux by now. Same story with M$ office. BUT that is kinda changing, because for M$ office, we have Office Online and Libreoffice available as alternatives that do the job really well, they got me through college. As for Adobe, there is an online version of Photoshop that you can run in a browser, so hopefully that will get good enough to allow some users to switch to Linux for professionals. Now for personal users they can probably just switch to GIMP. But even then, there’s the issue of the other Adobe Creative Cloud Suite.
I tried wine recently to see if I can get Total Annihilation to work. I played with Wine in the mid 2000’s and gotten office 2003 to run on Suse then.
OMFG the mess when I recently tried to just run a simple exe that doesn’t even need a full installation.
Adobe sadly don’t just make Photoshop which is a remarkably good product. Even more so with their new features. I use Lightroom and nothing that exists for Linux comes close. All that needs some serious GPU integration.
DaVinci resolve is amazing and a real alternative to Premiere. The problem I see is binary compatibility. Even Linus admits that the Linux desktop has a problem with that.
I do have high hopes for web tech to evolve enough to make cross platform a thing again. Maybe ChromeOS will help there. VS Code is a good example here. With WebGl Vulkan in the browser and OpenCL that should become viable soon.
Was it Total Annihilation kingdoms or commander?
Thanks for looking into it. It’s just standard TA with mods. I’m sure it can be made to run even more if you buy the steam version.
Linus mentioned in one interview that Steam does amazing work for Linux adoption on the desktop.
The problem is simply that standard Linux software is still a lot of work to get going and maintain. Work I just don’t have time for.
I just tried it, only was able to find it in the Commander Pack. Played just fine for me with just double clicking the installer, then clicking the new exe
haven’t tried Photoshop, but what exe didn’t work in wine for you? If I load them in with Lutris, I haven’t found anything I can’t run. Just having wine installed and double clicking an exe I haven’t had as much luck, it doesn’t find dependencies.
Edit: I misread. I can try out Total Annihilation and see if it works. Lutris + protonGE has been pretty much perfect for me these days
They would never. In their mind if you are using Linux is because you can’t afford windows. And if you can’t afford windows then you can’t afford adobe
But they used to offer support for Photoshop and Illustrator a while back if I’m not mistaken. That’s what’s annoying me.
Older versions are supported via wine/crossover, but not official support
The only mainstream professional graphics program with official Linux support was Corel draw, but for a single version twenty years ago, because they acquired a Linux distribution and they wanted to do a bundle os+office+desktop graphics. But nobody bought it (it’s difficult to even find a pirated copy of that) so they scrapped the idea immediately
that would be awesome. i assume youve tried foss alternatives to adobe apps. they arent as good usually (ofc), but still great for most uses imo, unless u are doing stuff proffessionally i suppose
I work professionally with Adobe programs, but quite frankly, it’s ridiculous that there’s no Linux support. Heck, even Cinema4D and Redshift support Linux.
Maybe just stop using shit products, I don’t know.
