• Septapus@lemmy.ca
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      I mean the plan was always to annihilate people of color like my wife and I. This country has treated our people like shit for centuries and the rest of the world wants us to stay and fight to fix our country. I say fuck that. That’s like saying the German Jews should have stayed to fix Germany and should have started committing acts of violence to fix their country. That was never going to work last century what the fuck makes anyone think it would this century. No the fact is racist whites enabled and did this, we aren’t at fault and we are not responsible to fix it for them. We are going to be part of the brain drain of this country. Leave the whites to sort out their own fucking mess for once.

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        They’ll beat the drums of nationalism, and try to guilt you. If you flee now, the hundreds of years of oppression will have been in vain. You dare turn your back on the failed revolutions of MLK? Malcolm X? Coward, they’ll say. But I say fuck that noise. You owe them nothing. Get out, before it gets worse. You owe it to you and yours to try and find happiness, if you can.

        Edit: This is my 666th comment. I meant to drop it in a christian thread, but I thought I had at least one more. Oh well.

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          A bunch of civilian rifles stand no chance against drones 30k feet in the air dropping guided missiles or the ai controlled murder dog robots they’ve been showcasing the past couple years.

          Plus, what is the disgruntled American town going to do when an abrams rolls down Main Street? They’re just as prepared as afghani villagers when that situation comes to pass.

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          for all the guns americans have, theyre clearly too cowardly to use them for anything outside of school shootings

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            Exactly. Just shows you what a bunch of pussies they really are. I’d kick so much ass in an elementary or middle school. i wouldn’t even need a gun.

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              You don’t get to watch our local news reports. Plenty of people get smoked every single day by gunfire. Fuck someone’s wife , cut them off in traffic , call them a snitch ,bump into them in a bar, throw snow from your driveway onto theirs 💥💥💥. It could be anything that gets a bunch of new holes added to your meat suit

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                Sure but they all whine they need them for incase government be bad. Now we have a situation and they are all quiet. The only reason Americans need guns is to make the small minded can’t see their own penis men fell powerful. I have never once in my life thought I sure would feel safer with a gun. Ok maybe but not in the city.

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                Is that supposed to prove Americans are not a bunch of cowards? Because it does the opposite.

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            Are you just ignoring all the instances where this statement isn’t true or do those not count because two guys you don’t like are still alive?

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                I’m assuming you’re saying this because no one has killed Trump or Musk yet. That’s sort of nonsensical considering the former has had at least two attempts on his life in the last year. Important people get shot at on a fairly regular basis in America.

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          Does it matter though? The people with the most firearms are the most indoctrinated. And besides that, Americans have always talked about needing the right to bear arms to dispose of a tyrannical government, but it seems like people aren’t even putting in the effort to vote or protest, let alone taking out the fascists. So what exactly is the point of all the guns? Besides the purpose of supplying all the criminals in both Mexico and Canada with illegal weapons

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        Be careful with your reasoning, my friend. Just because they want it doesn’t mean they would survive it.

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        Not saying you’re wrong just want to understand youre thinking why would they want riots? Isnt that the only real threat to them?

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          Triggering division as an excuse for suppression is Dictator 101.

          Your political opponents are lawless? That means you can legally crack down on them.

          It has the side benefit of stirring the shit/divisions which is what keeps Trump in place.

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              Mhm. It’s understandably counterintuitive, and indeed a problem for “regular” politicians.

              You’d think it would make Trump lose support, and to some extent it does, but I guess you also have to understand how warped the US information environment is. Anyone who cares about George Floyd and actually sees this in their news feed would not support Trump anyway, whereas that’s not the case for nearly any past president. Supporters who see the riots would write them off as not Trumps fault.

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          Enact martial law, take over all legislation, be a dictator. Job done.

          That’s why he’s firing everyone at the top of the military who isn’t a white male.

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          trump has been looking to apply the insurrection act since his first term. with the various sycophants in congress and the executive, there has never been a more opportune time (other than tomorrow, of course).

          as to why… well, trump has gotten even more messianic since his first term. suppression of dissent would be a powerplay that may yield significant dividends, showing loyalists the need to stay in the camp and detractors what happens when you resist.

          just my 0.02

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            Thanks to the weakness of our system and certain pathetic losers holding their values and personal ethics over the national security interests of the United States nothing was ever done about trump’s sedition. I will never forgive our previous president for not doing exactly what needed to be done to deal with the DOMESTIC THREAT to the constitution that he was sworn to protect by not eliminating the republican party/scotus/and a certain billionaire. Had our previous president made the ‘tough call’ that presidents are required to make to protect the nation and the constitution then we simply wouldn’t be in this position. I will never believe that our previous president wasn’t briefed on the threat posed by all of this and wasn’t fully aware of everything. There will never be any excusing him allowing things to happen this way. The man was in his 80s even had he been in any legal trouble over this his life is functionally over at this point fuck him for doing nothing when he was the only one who could achieve this on his own.

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          Authoritarians equate fear with respect. Aggressively putting down a riot makes people scared = people respect them. It is the same reason Putin jails critics inhumanely or Kim kills families of defectors in NK. If people lose their fear of them these despots are powerless.

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    They just want to cause riots. Trump and Elon are agitators.

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      This. I’m convinced at this point they’re attempting to instigate riots so they can declare material law and seize full control over the US government.

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        I know it a typo, but declaring it, would be the last step of making material law the ultimate authority. Taking Capitalist Fromm late stage to endgame.

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      I agree. This is just intended to cause civil unrest to distract from everything else they’re doing to tear America apart.

      But also, Musk is a Nazi.

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        They are the clowns of the circus. Half the US is trying to figure out who the ring master of the circus is … instead of looking for the guy who owns it.

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    I think the ultimate goal is martial law, and I think he is unconcerned about what triggers his ability to declare it.

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    If Trump pardons him he still has 20+years of state sentence to finish, this is a distraction….

    They are about to do the biggest grift ever with the tax cuts for the rich.

    All of this is a distraction

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      Yup, same with the tariffs. Drop the stock market by two percent and as the richest person in the world you’ve just invested billions

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    A possible motive is to push the power of the executive. If Trump can somehow seize this power, there’s nothing that can stop him.

    That or just trying to embolden the police, but I’m guessing it’s even worse than that.

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      I’d say it’s to embolden police and violent racists, in hope of helping encouraging their race war to destabilize the country so that they can divy it up.

      The interesting lack of forethought from the oligarchic billionaires is that their billions mean nothing without the US dollar and NYSE. The majority of their hoards of wealth are not backed by anything tangible that could be of use in the event that the US dollar ceases to be relevant. I suppose that this kind of thought isn’t likely to occur to sociopaths that were born with platinum spoons in their mouths.

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        Yes - just as with the DEI controversy, the main point is just to fan the flames of racism.

        The 1% understand that the US is approaching a breaking point. Things are going to shit, and people are going to start looking for someone to blame for the ugliness and horror and death to come.

        And the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the 1%.

        And of course, they don’t want us to see that. So they’re doing everything they can to divide us against ourselves.

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      A gun. A gun can stop him. They work well. American has more guns than people, and a second amendment designed to stop this nonsense when needed.

      It’s needed.

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    This is the sleight of hand they want you paying attention to. Instead, keep an eye on the other hand;

    Because that is the one doing the damage.

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      The real trick is the fact that both of these do damage, and you can’t afford to ignore either.

      Signaling to the police that the executive branch has your back and will support you when you kill poor black men is going to get people straight up murdered.

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        He also has people’s back when they murder/injure police. So, if you’re a cop, do not take it as a show of support.

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      true, but also, there’s a point that laws don’t really exist anymore. it’s just gang shit. the cops are the gang that want to kill you rather than make a profit off you. there is no legitimacy, there is no reason to respect or obey them, and in fact they will kill you if you do.

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      Elon trying to use this to distract from all the federal firings he’s done

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    Gotta throw red meat to the racist AF base to distract from how fElon and his Incel Clown Posse is stealing from the American people…

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        “But of those hapless who were snared by Melkor little is known of a certainty. […] Yet this is held true by the wise of Eressëa: that all those of the Quendi that came into the hands of Melkor, ere Utumno was broken, were put there in prison, and by slow arts of cruelty and wickedness were corrupted and enslaved. Thus did Melkor breed the hideous race of the Orkor in envy and mockery of the Eldar, of whom they were afterwards the bitterest foes. For the Orkor had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Ilúvatar; and naught that had life of its own, nor the semblance thereof, could ever Melkor make since his rebellion in the Ainulindalë before the Beginning: so say the wise. And deep in their dark hearts the Orkor loathed the Master whom they served in fear, the maker only of their misery. This maybe was the vilest deed of Melkor and the most hateful to Eru”

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    They reeaally doing anything they can to get that martial law step started from their project 2025 handbook

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    Couldn’t he only be pardoned for the federal level conviction and not the state? Looking at his Wikipedia article, he has a 21 year fed sentence and a 22.5 state.

    But yeah, this is a way to force violent protests and eventually martial law.

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      Maybe it won’t be protests this time and just 30,000 people turning his body into something that doesn’t resemble a human.

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      IIRC, Chauvin made the plea deal on federal charges so that he would do his time in the relative safety of a federal prison.

      Which would mean that if he gets pardoned on federal charges, then he would have to serve out his remaining state time in a state pen… the very thing he wanted to avoid. He would probably be dead in under a month unless he spent the next decade or more in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day (like he did in his pre-trial detention).

      Which would be a crying shame, of course…

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        Tesla do that on their own. If we did their building, people will think it was the same way.

        Government build hurts the people. We will have to rebuild it again. Plus I want a building that will improve the community and a Wal-Mart building will accomplish that.

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    Elon’s brain got damaged by ketamine usage. At his level of power and wealth, he basically runs the planet and the drugs embolden him to shamelessly call for whatever shits he believes

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    I scrolled all the way to the bottom of these comments, then breathed a sigh of relief.

    Because the comments that I’d see on reddit, the ones all the way at the bottom that show up every time George Floyd is mentioned, weren’t there. I hadn’t even thought about those comments until I got to the end.