• knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    So we’re just going to take a comedian who is totally under the control of UA Nazis and US financial barons at his word? This is either a blindingly stupid lie, or the US and NATO are preparing for a false flag attack which could well lead to nuclear war. I know they’re getting desperate, but we have to hope that they know where the line is.

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      This is either a blindingly stupid lie, or the US and NATO are preparing for a false flag attack which could well lead to nuclear war.

      That’s a false dichotomy. Russia has been threatening to use nukes all the time. Threatening to blow up a reactor is just more of the same.

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        That’s simply not true. Russian nuclear policy is exclusively retaliatory. They haven’t been making threats, but simply reminding the warmongers of the west that there are lines which must not be crossed. This has been the Russian and Soviet nuclear policy since they developed nuclear weapons technology. The threats are coming from the west, namely the US which does have a first strike policy. The US continues to threaten Russia by stationing nuclear weapons ever closer to Russia’s borders. It’s almost like nobody knows why the “Cuban” Missile Crisis started.

        If anyone in the west would actually listen to Putin and Lavrov instead of putting words in their mouths, we’d all be pretty clear on what second strike nuclear policy means by now, as well as what the Russian objectives are. Instead we’re taking obvious western atrocity propaganda at face value and not even bothering to ask the very basic question of who gains by telling this story.

        We can only hope this story is “just” WMDs in Iraq or babies in incubators levels of atrocity propaganda myth making, and not Gulf of Tonkin level false flag preparation. Then again the US side has already executed many of their previously prepared false flag attacks in this war. Hopefully the MacArthurs in the room don’t win this time.

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    1 year ago

    Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they’re winning the war? This is another atrocity by the Ukrainian military to muddy the waters and try to attract yet more international support like the dam bombing.

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      Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they’re winning the war?

      Right, but they are not, they are barely holding losing ground.

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          1 year ago

          Imagine listening to someone who is such an expert he said Russia is not stupid enough to invade Ukraine. Yet just a little while later he’s an expert again

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
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            Ah yes, we should instead listen to the experts who claimed that Russian economy was going to collapse in a month, that Russia would run out of weapons, and that Ukraine was going to make a blitzkrieg offensive that was going to go to the sea of Azov in one day. 🤡

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
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                The fact that you’re arguing Mearsheimer doesn’t know what he’s talking about based on him not having thought that Russia would invade Ukraine shows what an utter clown you are given that pretty much nobody in the west predicted that. You don’t have to link to anything, it’s pretty clear from your comments what “experts” you rely on.

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                  Nobody in the West predicted that? He said it when the Russian troops were already massing at the border.

                  Shit, I already predicted it. I shorted the Russia ETFs which were liquidated last year (I made 90%+ profit)

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        And causing a nuclear disaster would help with this how? PS: When you hold part of your opponents country that means you’re winning.

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          They have a child-like mentality. If they can’t have it, then blow it up. Now no one gets it.

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            Please explain your argument, I do not think it makes any sense but instead dangerously misjudges the Russian government/military.

            Assuming they have a child-like mentality:

            • Why is there no massive bombardment of Ukrainian cities and infrastructure? Might as well do that for cities out of reach instead of blowing up a NPP.
            • Why didn’t Putin order to have all Wagner soldiers killed after what happened a few days ago?
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          causing a nuclear disaster would help with this how?

          The plant is located near the front lines, along a probable route to the Sea of Azov. Blowing it up creates an obstacle, making advances and supplies more difficult.

          When you hold part of your opponents country that means you’re winning.

          That’s a stretch. Like Germany was winning WW2 until it was kicked out of France.

          True, it’s probably the best Russia can achieve but far from their goals. And they’ve been losing ground steadily now.

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    How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that? “Ukrainians are Nazis and so we took over their nuclear power plant because we (though we) could. Now they want to destroy it, incurring an immense ecological impact to mostly themselves, because if they can’t have it, better be dead too”?

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    Russia has been making the same claims against Ukraine since at least november 2022 in front of the UN.

    Such an attack would benefit Ukraine since it’s more likely to cause NATO to get involved. Don’t forget that.

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    Hopefully this just ends up being another nothingburger like last time there was talk about a Ukrainian dirty bomb several months ago.

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    "If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said. It said the Ukrainian army stood “ready to act under any circumstances”.

    In his nightly video message, Zelenskiy said Russia was planning to “simulate an attack” on the plant. “But in any case, the world sees – and cannot fail to see – that the only source of danger to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is Russia. And no one else.”

    Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions"

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      EDIT: i removed this comment previously because lemmy hiccuped and registered the one about bridge selling twice.

      And despite it being empty, it still recieved 23 downvotes.

      This is how factual discussion with liberals is.

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      Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions

      I’m starting to see a pattern here…

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      Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions

      Judging from the comments, he could probably finance that entire war just by selling bridges to liberals -_-

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    These comments… I wasn’t expecting Lemmy to be russian bots just chatting with each other.

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    Imagine genuinely thinking that Russia blows up their own infrastructure for no reason. The fact that this is a serious topic of discussion in the west shows that any sort of critical thinking has been eradicated at this point.

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    We need a more trustworthy source. After Zelensky destroyed his own dam I don’t believe a word he says.