• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    1 year ago

    What I post is a realistic analysis of the situation, and having delusional fantasies about the state of the war certainly isn’t helping anybody. Also, last I checked Zelensky was elected on the platform of implementing Minsk and patching up relations with Russia. The fact that you would lie about something like this says volumes.

    The reality is that America has hollowed out its industrial power and at this point can’t produce weapons at the rate they’re being consumed in this war. Furthermore, Ukraine isn’t central to US interests because US is ultimately preparing for a war with China. What’s going to happen in the end is that US will abandon Ukraine. Anybody who thinks that US will fight for Ukraine at the expense of US interests is historically illiterate.

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        Donbas has always been the main issue between Ukraine and Russia, and if Zelensky actually followed through on his platform Russia would’ve likely not cared about Ukraine joining the EU. In fact, they even said as much. Instead, Zelensky did a 180 on what he said he’d do and now we are here.

        • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          My dude. I’m from Toretsk. I’ll give you a second to google where that is.

          We voted for him because we wanted the change he was promising. Which was to distance ourselves from the corruptive influence of Russia and move closer to the EU. It’s not like my poeple haven’t even trying to do this for years now.

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            The fact that you can’t even conceive of being able to distance yourself from Russia without escalating tensions with Russia is why your country where it is today. USSR and NATO didn’t want to do with one another during the Cold War, but managed to avoid actual hot conflict. The fact that people can’t even imagine peaceful coexistence today is rather depressing.

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                People like Mearsheimer explained in detail precisely how the west used Ukraine to escalate tensions over seven years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

                You still don’t seem to understand that your country is just seen a pawn by US, they don’t care about you at all. RAND literally published a study titled Extending Russia explaininig how Russia could be drawn into a war in Ukraine. They weren’t even hiding it. Yet, some clowns still think that the west is there helping them.

                This all ends when US decides they’ve invested enough into this grift and move on. The same way Vietnam, Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan ended. If you think you’re country is going to be the one where it’s different you’re even more of a 🤡 than I originally thought. You’re just a resource being spent in a geopolitical game US is playing.

                • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  You have a reading comprehension issue. I’ve already stated the problem I have with the US being involved. I know full well what the US is doing.

                  That doesn’t change the fact that Russia can fuck off. Period. End of story. No amount copy pasting the same shit over and over will change that.

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                    US is the only reason this war is still going, and once US inevitably abandons Ukraine things will get a lot worse.

                    Meanwhile, Russia is very obviously not going to fuck off at this point. The sooner people Ukraine start engaging with reality the better off things will be for Ukraine.

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                  You’ve proven your sympathies well, here. And I believe you’ve persuasively shown you are who and how they say you are.

                  I do agree, as an American, that we should be seen as somewhat psychopathic. We want what we want and don’t always follow through like promised. That said, I don’t see too many futures where containing Russia isn’t enough to hold our attention (and therefore, resources).

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                    Your country is a genocidal regime that’s responsible for some of the most despotic crimes against humanity. Currently, your regime is cynically using the people of Ukraine as a way to try and weaken Russia as the paper RAND published prior to the war very clearly explains.

                    This hubris isn’t going well for you.

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      I’m sorry. What? Hollowed out our industrial power? Lmfao.

      The US is ramping up production to meet the needs of Ukraine. Granted, it took a bit to get that rolling, but when we decide to make weapons, boy do we make weapons.

      Throw as many articles as you want about how Ukraine is using more ammunition that we are currently producing. They mean nothing.

      We’re giving them our older model stuff from the 90s. Compare that to the mothballed museum pieces Russia is rolling out.

      And I’m not going to respond further because after reading what you posted and preemptively defending this post, you are a troll, a vatnik, a Russian propaganda mouthpiece or all three.

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        We’re giving them our older model stuff from the 90s. Compare that to the mothballed museum pieces Russia is rolling out.

        Think about this for a moment. The USA is using its older stuff first.

        You look at what Russia is using and you think it’s old or not as advanced. Why aren’t you making the logical conclusion (which is backed by evidence if you look) that Russia is doing the exact same thing as the USA?

        Why is the USA’s use of old weaponry simply that–use of old weaponry–but Russia’s use of old weaponry is…something else? Corruption? Incompetence? Whatever other excuse you want to come up with?

        It’s safe to assume that Russia knows that the USA and other countries are going to send older reserves of weapons first. So it’s not unreasonable for Russia to not use more than is necessary and bring in their newest and best weaponry.

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        US industry accounts for only around 11% of its GDP nowadays, and the amount of shells US can produce today is laughable.

        Army Secretary Christine Wormuth separately told reporters that the U.S. will go from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000 by the spring and 40,000 by 2025.

        Biden has literally admitted that the reason cluster munitions are being sent is because US ran through the regular munition stocks.

        You’re not going to respond further because you know that the facts aren’t on your side. No amount of name calling and personal insults is going to change that. You’re either an ignoramus or a liar, either way not a good look.

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          Yup. Have all of our “older” stuff, we have a lot and will make new ones.

          Oh, and be careful in this thread. Fighting vatniks high as hell on copium is dangerous. Best to let them be and ignore them.

          All they have is the same few weak and dumb arguments. It’ll give you a headache of you try to logically argue with someone who just throws shit.

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          I don’t think anyone fails to understand this. The points being made are that 1) Russia is also using old stock so assessing Russian capabilities based on what they are fielding is copium; 2) the US literally doesn’t have the physical manufacturing assets required to increase production to anything resembling reasonable; 3) while the US is ramping up production, Russia and China are already significantly further ahead in manufacturing and also are ramping up production meaning the US is racing to see who can produce more while starting from way behind and not having anywhere near the infrastructure necessary to ramp faster than either Russia or China.