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    I feel like this is a huge problem with Lemmy. All that talk about federation and decentralization and every guide out there for getting started is just like “just register with lemmy.world and don’t worry about it”. THE WHOLE FREAKING POINT is to avoid one single instance having an outsized influence on the network as a whole.

    But choosing an instance to sign up with is such a huge hassle and also kind of a crapshoot. Even if you pick one that seems like a good place to be, it’s highly likely the admins will either burn out quickly or just not do their job, and suddenly you’re defederated because your instance is full of CSAM. Or they’re actually just pieces of shit to begin with.

    Fortunately, it seems like I found a decent instance for now. Lemmy.zip has more than one admin, so the burden isn’t all on one person, and the main person running it seems to be just a real chill dude. I really hope it lasts.

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      For quite a while there, Lemmy.world was the only one that handled the reddit apicolypse rush and stayed up reliably. So it became the defacto funnel point to the Fediverse.

      Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml were tankie cesspits, Beehaw were too busy sniffing their own farts yo approve registrations, Lemmy.ca gave the impression they were a Canadians-only, eh instance and a pile of others were yet to come on line or be stable. So thats where we are.

      There’ll be another migration wave and may be there will be more diversification in this one.

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      There is another point, which will be maintained still: decentralization allows you to jump ship and still use the service. If lemmy.world gets bought out somehow once it gets big enough, you’re free to leave and not lose anything. You can go to another instance or create your own with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the Lemmy instance…

      The crapshoot and oversized influence issues are kind of core to how humans do things unfortunately. Even well distributed, the insurance sizes would likely adhere to zipf’s law, but the most talkative, and thus the majority of the content, would come from instances where those kinds of people flocked together. And the crapshoot is just decentralized administration being hard.

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    OP you said the quiet part out loud. We aren’t supposed to bring this up because it’s apparently a very touchy subject.

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    Wait, are you me? That’s my exact experience! But now I’m on lemmy rather than kbin I can use Voyager on my phone, and I’m getting warm and fuzzy Apollo feelings! So maybe I’ll stay…

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        Voyager is great and it’s not even an app. Definitely made the transition from Apollo friendlier for me.

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        I lost track of Voyager development, how do you like it so far?

        Better than the web interface for kbin.social that I’ve been using for the last few months.

        It really does feel very Apollo, if that’s a useful reference for you.

        I’m not exactly a power user though, so I can’t promise it’s good for everyone. But hey, it’s free. Give it a go, see how you get on with it. You don’t have to keep it if you don’t want to…

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        Definitely my favorite Lemmy app. There’s a few others that definitely have promise that I try out every now and again, but Voyager is my go to.

    • Kelly Aster 🏳️‍⚧️@lemmy.worldOP
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      Thanks, glad to be here!

      I can tell, outages seem rare and your instance’s latency is pretty low (esp compared with others). Props to your DevOps/infra team, everything appears to be solid and reliable.

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      The main Kbin instance, https://kbin.social. I don’t think it warrants a block just yet, but it could become a real problem if the spam in its communities doesn’t get under control (i.e. - new mods get added to handle it, for starters). Some communities have been getting hit by spam posters for weeks without end.

      There’s just one guy running the whole thing. It sucks because it’s a good place with good people and the owner is a nice guy, but the lack of administration & communication is killing it.

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        This is both the blessing and curse of truly decentralised and people run technology. The “business case” for it is extremely minimal, so people get bored and just start drifting away.

        It’s not malicious, it’s just how people are.

        Trying to find the few diamonds in the rough to keep everything going and put in the effort is like trying to win the lottery.

        Even with my home lab services I use constantly, it’s a chore to keep them updated and bug* free.

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          Oof. Yeah that’s where I started. When it had problems a few months ago I found a second instance. Seems like it’s still in it’s growing pains.

        • Kelly Aster 🏳️‍⚧️@lemmy.worldOP
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          This is both the blessing and curse of truly decentralised and people run technology.

          Agreed. It’s also a strength, as the Fediverse’s independent operation model allows us to stay somewhat connected even if an instance goes down. I hope everything is all right over there in ernest’s world, he was already burning out before and it looks like it might be happening again.

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        FWIW kbin seems to be back up today. I usually assume when it goes down for long stretches like yesterday that some server maintenance/upgrade is going on, though I do wish the messaging around that was a bit better.

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    Any way to bring comments from one home to another? KBIN being down annoyed me enough that I spun up a lemmy.world account but I’m curious if there’s any may to mirror the things I’ve posted…

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      I don’t remember anything more than this, but I do remember seeing posts about transfer tools. So do some digging and you may find what you need.

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        I suspect the answer is no. I know I wasn’t able to transfer comments from my prior Lemmy account to this one. I was able to use Sync for Lemmy to transfer my communities, but that was it.

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    Nice to have you here :) We try our best to be stable and have active moderators!

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    I’m always hearing about drama and idk I’ve been having a killer time at sh.itjust.works. practically get no spam

    • Kelly Aster 🏳️‍⚧️@lemmy.worldOP
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      There are several communities like https://kbin.social/m/fediverse/newest that are riddled with prescription drug and direct links to pirated content. It has died down recently and it looks like someone or something* has been pruning them, but there’s still several links that haven’t been scrubbed. I mean, I’m just speculating about who/what is cleaning up, because there’s been no administrative communication about…well, anything lately.

      I mean, I love the guy, he has been nothing but kind to the userbase, but he’s spread himself way too thin and the cracks are really starting to show. There’s no oversight, and that is bad. Because some dumbfuck is gonna post something really stupid one of these days, and that instance is gonna get a lot of attention for all the wrong reasons.

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        I don’t know that I would call four posts by one account all at the same time several days ago as “riddled.” I wholly agree with your second paragraph.

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          There was a lot more than that. Last time I checked (a few days ago), there was a ton of spam that was posted over the past three weeks. Some of those 3-week old posts are still there, which is a long time for content to go unmoderated. And people have been applying for community owner and mod positions to help out, they just haven’t been approved yet.

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            Fair. You’re not wrong; I’m just trying to be as objective as possible.

            I know that it can be crazy hard for a person who has built a “thing” to share administrative control of that thing, even when circumstances demand it. It took me a good long time to come to terms with that.

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    It’s probably a silly question, but how exactly does one join lemmy.world? I tried making an account here yesterday, got the mail to confirm my email address, confirmed it, and now… nothing. Can’t login with the credentials i made, if i do recover password, it says my email address it sent the confirmation mail to is unknown. Or do i just need to wait longer until some admin approves my account?

    • Kelly Aster 🏳️‍⚧️@lemmy.worldOP
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      Hey @[email protected], I looked it up, and there is an upcoming option to move your account in the Lemmy software release version 0.19 :

      Users can now export their data (community follows, blocklists, profile settings), and import it again on another instance. This can be used for account migrations and also as a form of backup. The export format is designed to remain unchanged for a long time. You can make regular exports, and if the instance becomes unavailable, register a new account and import the data. This way you can continue using Lemmy seamlessly.

      Note that this won’t export posts and comments. Right now lemmy.world is still using version .18.5 of the server software, and according to this announcement the admin team hasn’t upgraded because of stability concerns, which is understandable. But the export feature is coming here, Fyi. Hope this is helpful.

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      I’m curious, how do you not know which instance you signed up on? Do you access Lemmy from a web browser or an app like Voyager or something? From your profile, it looks like you are registered on lemmy.world, like me.

      WRT moving accounts: most people just create a brand new account when they find a new instance they really like, but I remember reading that there’s supposed to be a way to export all your user data and import it to another instance…as long as the source and target instances support it, that is. yeah, sorry this is wrong, I think I misremembered, there’s no real way yet to move your posts and comments to another instance.