If you manage to argue long and hard with those crazy extremists (not with the ignorant ones) and not lose your temper, you should be sanctified 😅

I can’t think of cases where people aren’t convinced until somebody in their family dies horribly and they realize how much they fucked up for not getting their family vaccinated

Unfortunately acting in the manner you suggested will only serve to make things worse. Ridiculing a non rational actor only drives them further into their belief structure. This is literally cult deprogramming and every thing I have heard and read on cult deprogramming says the very worst thing you can do is ridicule the person.

Yep, I guess the covid made it a visceral, identitarian issue. They’re not good allies, but hey, if they have to be alienated, it’s a reassurance that they’re on the right side.

Read Daniel Kahneman’s “Thinking Fast & Slow”, & understand that there are 2 different “thinking” systems, one limbic, the imprint->reaction system, Kahneman System-1, … and the other is the human considered-reason system.

Ideology/prejudice ( they are 2 sides of the same “coin” ) is Kahneman System-1, not considered-reasoning: they are separate brain/mind systems.

Leninism’s “‘educating’-the-masses into proletariat-dictatorship” and Murdoch’s “TV-ing-the-masses into populist-dictatorship” are 2 variants of the same thing, … and their identical goal is to render globally-irrelevant any considered-reasoning system of humankind.

All the different political-factions that are pushing to displace considered-reasoning with automatic-ideology, all the different religious-factions that are pushing to displace considered-reasoning with automatic-ideology, its the same thing with different “makeup” on it.

Humankind is, fundamentally, fighting to reject moral-anxiety, through rejecting considered-reasoning, and displacing it, globally, with imprinted-reaction of ideology/prejudice, whichever ideology/prejudice that particular faction is identifying-with.

The eradication of quality education by communists & republicans, the systematic-sabotage of entire-population’s ability to parent their children properly by moneyarchy’s sadistic obstruction of living-wage law … the over-600 mass-shootings last-year in the US is a symptom of the shredding-of-the-world-for-ideology’s-mechanism, the cause of last-year’s effects … was attachment-disorder manufactured decades ago.

Some still have potential considered-reasoning in them, but many no-longer do, due to having been brought-up in ideology/prejudice’s automatic-reaction, until considered-reasoning is only vestigal-potential, in their life.

Ignoring/denying the actual-condition of humankind will only cost much more lives, for comforting-belief’s sake.

I don’t expect more than 1.5% of humankind to survive this century ( from a peak of about 9B people, within 1 decade ), if any do.

Appeasing rabies is a corpse’s game: rabies doesn’t appease: the appease-mechanism can’t work on it, as it is a social-manipulation-technique which presumes that the “other” is sufficiently-identical-to-one’s-own-mind, and that is baseless/false presumption ( can be baseless due to cultural-differences, can also be baseless due to System-1 vs System-2 balance difference being too huge, can also be baseless due to sociopathy or psychopathy or cPTSD or other fundamental mind-differences ).

White-supremacism “christianity” is as committed to genociding as Russia & Israel are, and “reasoning” just accommodates more butchery-escalation.

Either appease/accommodate & sacrifice population’s lives for it … or draw the line & back it up with absolute-force, but … within our country, that isn’t permitted, is it?

Only appeasing/accommodating is permitted … so, therefore, the progression continues tilting until the totalitarian-butchery wins…

Same as in Nazi Europe in WW2.

No point in pretending otherwise.

I expect at least 200,000,000 to die in North America in the next decade, due to US Civil War Part2, as it shreds everything, including proactively-managing-natural-disasters ( imagine hurricane Katrina if NO warning or help had happened, & multiply that by however-many hurricanes do that to the US while it’s having its Civil War Part2, and then consider how much nihilist-anarchism that’ll produce, multiplying-again the violent-nihilism in the system… it’s a spiraling positive-feedback-loop, see? ).

The gutting of NATO, & active backing of Russia that Trump’s going to do, once crowned GEOTUS, … obviously the Russia/China/Saudi alliance is going to take advantage of the dictator’s gift to their global-supremacism…

Exactly as that paper on behavioral-risk with climate change pointed-out:

• humanity only reacts to already completely-manifest problems, & never acts proactively, &
• humanity fights-against accepting the facts as long as possible, until it’s too-late

That has consequences.

Sometimes you need to use violent-force to break a drunk-driver from driving & smashing others’-lives.

Refusal to do-so may make one more “acceptable” among the left’s coddling-belonging-culture, but it does produce more butchery-of-lives.

Consequences are real.

Nobody’s allowed to break corruption from authority: convention prohibits that.

All this is simply setting-up our own species getting a Darwin Award.

Stupidity at the galactic-epitaph scale.

BREAK drunk-driving, the instant you encounter it, instead of leftist-style hoping it’ll go away, so I don’t have to intervene, individually … XOR … allow the consequences of non-intervening to be written-into-Eternity with one’s own blood’s-inaction adding to it.

I’m saying that as a guy whose cowardice contributed to the continued-career of a serial-murderer.

My cowardice prevented me from doing more than calling 911, whereas if I had violently intervened … then it is entirely possible that 20+ women wouldn’t have been snuffed by him, in the years since.

I heard him murdering, & was quaking-with-fear, when I should have been butchering him while his hands were still on her neck.

Her corpse was found in the parking-lot the next morning ( I hadn’t known precisely where this was, only the general-direction, due to my hesitation ).

Then, later, I found-out he murdered a woman every year.

And I didn’t stop him, when I could have.

Their murders are partly my responsibility, through my inaction.

Objectivity breaks “rose glasses”.

I was there-enough to hear, I could have got-closer & struck.

And ended his serial-murdering, even by wounding him distinctively, so that his sudden-marking made identifying him easier, for the police.

All those women murdered since then, were murdered partly by my cowardice.

Humankind’s doing exactly the same thing, now, with its own viability.

Except that it is going to be oceans-of-lives lost in the consequences.