• sanbdra@lemmy.world
    15·
    2 天前

    Whatever someone’s politics are, these caricatures are gross and way over the line. Criticism doesn’t need to lean on antisemitic imagery.

  • BigMacHole@thelemmy.club
    111·
    2 天前

    OP is SO STUPID! NONE of these Cartoons showed someone PROTECTING Children from Bombs or PUSHING away Dogs that are RAPING Children! THOSE would be Anti Semetic!

    -The BBC and Keir Starmer!

  • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
    923·
    3 天前

    Side view for more comparison:

    image

    Top right: clearest case IMO. nose clearly bears no resemblance to his actual nose, whereas large hooked noses are the most common physical anti-semitic stereotype.

    Top left: huge lips is another classic Nazi stereotype. Big ears arguably also, but he does have pretty big ears. The drooping eyes are a more subtle stereotype, but given that his actual eyes are narrow, not drooping, that’s pretty suspicious IMO. Contrast top-right, which caricatures his real eyes.

    Bottom left: fucking cursed, but I can’t see anything anti-semitic

    Bottom right: unhinged, but again not anti-semitic that I can see. There have been some depictions of jews as snakes, hence having forked tongues, but they’re not super common that I can see so it’s a bit of a stretch.

      • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
        191·
        3 天前

        OK but saying a politician is a snake or devil of some kind isn’t unusual, so unless we can find some anti-semitic trope it’s based on, I don’t see it.

        Ironically, the most common example I know if is Farage as depicted by Martin Rowson!

    • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      103·
      3 天前

      The four cartoon pics straight up look like they were drawn by A. Wyatt Mann.

      Edit: THREE cartoons and a PHOTO MANIPULATION, thank you for correcting fuckin pedant, feels like I’m back on Reddit thanks

      • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
        214·
        3 天前

        Given that the bottom left is not even a cartoon but a photomanipulation I don’t think you’ve looked at them carefully enough that anyone should take your word for it.

        • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
          52·
          3 天前

          You’re right looking at pictures requires an extensive investigative study it can’t be just done at a glance.

          • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
            15·
            3 天前

            No, extensive is not necessary, obviously. But it looks like a glance is not sufficient.

            If you disagree you can say what’s wrong with the others. It’s a lot more productive than just talking vaguely.

            • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              31·
              3 天前

              I was saying they all look racist but you come in hostile so how bout you productively fuck off. Sorry my shitpost comment I made while I was on a walk about how some images are racist and look like a racist guy’s comics didn’t meet your exhaustive observational standards. I sure will sit down and REALLY study a post’s images and my comment before make any more posting lest I offend your delicate sensibilities more.

              Or most likely I’ll glance at your poop brown tag you’ve earned now and extensively think “lul that guy’s a full on dingus from reddit”

              • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
                16·
                3 天前

                I was saying they all look racist

                But are still not saying how.

                Or most likely

                Oh no, however will I cope? The approval of people who add nothing to discussions was all that was keeping me going :'(

                • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  3·
                  2 天前

                  Do you even know who A. Wyatt Man is? It’s an internet comment not a fucking research paper. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, stay ignorant, I’m not here to hold the hand of some fired up toxic asshole. If someone asked half-respectfully, I could elaborate.

        • endless_nameless@lemmy.world
          5·
          2 天前

          as a jew it’s actually shocking to read the top level comments on this post. practically every one is either dismissing it or subtly anti-semitic. i think i might actually hate it here on lemmy

          • flying_sheep@lemmy.ml
            4·
            2 天前

            Further down you can at least see that one person actually learned and concluded that they’ve ostensibly been too sheltered to learn about this until now.

            Ok, young people exist, but so many of them just loudly proclaiming they see nothing wrong is just alarming, no matter if they’re just clueless or Nazis rubbing their hands like their favorite caricature.

      • Grerkol@leminal.space
        16·
        3 天前

        But surely anyone’s nose will appear more hooked when widely grinning like that because it’ll slightly raise the points where your nose attaches to your face.

  • mirshafie@europe.pub
    675·
    3 天前

    What the actual fuck. Nevermind the antisemitism for a second, why are they even bashing politicians based on appearance in the first place? British media is unhinged.

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
      52·
      3 天前

      It’s a standard thing they do to anybody vaguely left wing.

      If your election promise isn’t to go visit all the billionaire media owners and personally suck them off, you’re not going anywhere in the UK.

    • ohulancutash@feddit.ukEnglish
      162·
      3 天前

      It’s called caricature, and it’s been a central part of British political cartoons since the 18th Century. Politicians have been known to buy the originals to hang on their walls.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
        4·
        3 天前

        Well yeah they’re trying to implement policies which will ensure to continue existence of the species beyond the next generation. What an awful prospect.

    • Mulligrubs@lemmy.worldEnglish
      43·
      2 天前

      What’s wrong with it? Caricatured politicians practically every day for centuries since we’ve had a press, this is bad now?

    • Babalugats@feddit.ukEnglish
      313·
      3 天前

      Politicians are horrible twats. No idea what the ratio is, or how it could be proven, but I would imagine that the amount of “good” politicians is a very very low number. I mean politicians that actually have the best interests of the public at heart, or in mind, when they’re making decisions. The idea of voting for people to make decisions for me is nuts. Any outrage about a caricature is crazy.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
        11·
        3 天前

        If you don’t know what the conversation is about you don’t have to contribute. It’s not a requirement you know.

        I have my criticisms of the greens but not with him in particular

        • Babalugats@feddit.uk
          16·
          3 天前

          I am fully aware of what the conversation is about.

          Let me break it down for you.

          Caricatures are drawn of a politician.

          Somebody claims that because said politician is Jewish and has a big nose in the caricatures that they are antisemitic.

          Likens the caricatures to pro-Palestine marches when they are, and should be, independent of one another.

          I would suggest that Keir Starmers connections to Israel, and influence by the Jewish people close to him, may lay closer to the reason that his government have cracked down so hard on the Pro-Palestine movements.

          They are a total contradiction in themselves, which has been proven time and time again. Which is something I get is being attempted with this/these examples.

          But they are not like for like. Nowhere in the cartoons is the politician calling for death to Palestinians or even pro-Israel (so cannot be accused of being antisemitic) under Starmers laws.

          But equally if the politician was calling for that, he likely wouldn’t be accused of it either under Starmers Britain.

          Starmers Britain is one where the “only” antisemitic people can be those that will use satire, humour or criticism of the Jewish people, but not necessarily Semite people. That includes calling out Genocide or just publicly supporting aid for the people being slaughtered.

          One example is in this video - A Jewish community crowd around a news crew, telling a Semite journalist that he should “go home” and that he is not welcome on their streets, calling him a Donkey and a Dog. Nothing happened to any of them.

          The law is very lob sided on this ‘law’ under Starmer. His version of antisemitism that he “will not tolerate in any form” is only really in favour of some Semite people, but definitely not all, and not only does he tolerate it, he often ignores it, in many of its forms.

          It seems Jewish people cannot be antisemitic, but other Semite people can be.

    • CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 天前

      I have no idea who this is so I looked him up, none of them look like him. He’s a totally normal looking guy? I’m American so I think he could use braces but I’m culturally obsessed with teeth, other than that he looks like any other white guy I’d see on the street… I always feel like going out of your way to focus on someone’s looks just makes you look weak, like if all you have is what the person looks like you’re really not saying anything of value

  • Destide@feddit.ukEnglish
    5·
    2 天前

    No it’s check notes anyone who critiques a nation on genocide. At which point we will lump all members of their prominent religion into the same bucket because that’s equality.

  • Danarchy@lemmy.nz
    372·
    3 天前

    Slimer is not Jewish tho for one thing ectocooler was NOT kosher and also when he was eating books in the library those were vellum manuscripts which as you know can only be eaten by Jewish ghosts under certain very specific

    • glimse@lemmy.world
      11·
      3 天前

      This comment is so funny I had to check: The ingredients seem kosher BUT they never got Kosher certification so it’s technically true.

      And when I looked into similar packaged drinks, I found that almost none are kosher. Some of the same drinks ARE kosher when dispensed from a machine, though, so maybe it’s a preservatives thing?

      Some very solid evidence that Slimer was not Jewish would be his glizzy gobbling. He didn’t ask the vendor if it was kosher, he just ate em.

      • zaphod@sopuli.xyz
        3·
        3 天前

        The ingredients seem kosher

        You can mix kosher ingredients and get something that isn’t kosher, like a cheeseburger.

        • glimse@lemmy.world
          2·
          3 天前

          True, though I couldn’t tell how the combination of ingredients would prevent the label either.

          And along with the combination restrictions, there are preparation restrictions, too. Gotta get Hebrew National when you invite Jewish friends at the summer BBQ as not all-beef hotdogs are kosher!

          …damn now I’m nostalgic and want some latkes and [those folded up artichoke things I forgot the name of]

      • Starduster75@lemmy.world
        12·
        3 天前

        Who’s following kashrut in 2026 (at these prices)? lol, what food a person eats is not a significant sign of their ethnicity.

        • glimse@lemmy.world
          6·
          3 天前

          We’re discussing the ethnicity of a silly ghost character based on context clues the writers didn’t deliberately put in a film from 40 years ago, don’t take it too seriously

          • Starduster75@lemmy.world
            112·
            3 天前

            Yeah, what’s serious about antisemitism? Who could get hurt? Not like they were gassing and cooking human beings withing the last 100 years or anything…

            Yeah. I should be less sensitive.

            • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              3·
              2 天前

              Yeah. I should be less sensitive.

              Yeah probably, if you can’t even handle jokes about Slimer being jewish specifically because the writers didn’t intend it and thus “that’s the joke.”

              Maybe stick to Feivel I guess.

            • glimse@lemmy.world
              7·
              3 天前

              No one in this comment chain was making light of antisemitism, though.

              I feel like I’m about to ruin the joke but…what makes their comment so funny is that they’re (jokingly) missing the point and going off about something irrelevant with a fully-formed argument.

              I fact checked in the first place to send to the same Jewish friend who once told me he hated Hitler…for taking that mustache style off the table for everyone. Not a guy you can accuse of not taking antisemitism seriously.

              • Starduster75@lemmy.world
                19·
                3 天前

                Bro. You’re using your Jewish friend to explain to me how this isn’t antisemitism? Do you even read what you write before you hit send?

                Well, I appreciate you informing my ignorant self as to what antisemitism is and isn’t. I should not have presumed to know about such things, and appreciate you setting me straight on it. I, and others related to me, should really learn to be less sensitive to such things. It is just humor, after all.

                • glimse@lemmy.world
                  41·
                  3 天前

                  Bro. My family is from Skokie, IL. Like half of the people in my life are Jewish. I used a real example of someone “missing the point” for humor and their ethnicity is VERY relevant to my point that it’s not antisemitic to make jokes on the topic.

                  I have no idea how you get through life if your jimmies get rustled by two comments that weren’t in any way antisemitic. There are so many horrors in the world (including actual antisemitism) to get pissed about and THIS is the hill you’re gonna die on?

                  Arguing that Slimer wasn’t Jewish because he consumed ecto cooler, hot dogs, and books is funny as fuck.