• GenLe@lemmy.ml
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    7 days ago

    Nevermind that we hold parties accountable and make them actually represent the people. If centrist/corporatist Democrats wanted to win, they should be listening to the people, and they refuse to do that. They are absolutely complicit in what’s been happening over this past decade, even long before that.

  • horus_son_of_isis@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    I did some political stuff back in the day. We used to say “when people vote, democrats win.” I don’t need a win, I just need the fascist pedo kleptocratic octogenarian to lose.

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    7 days ago

    It’s far from the only way. They have the means to rig elections or cancel them altogether.

    If you think voting is getting you out of this mess, you’re in for a reality check.

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    7 days ago

    This is a misunderstand. It’s not about voting. It never was. It’s about organizing.

    Sure vote for harm reduction. Yes, it can slow things down a bit temporarily, but don’t think it’ll save your life. Both parties are genocidal fascists who will continue to escalate war and state violence. From a capitalist standpoint, fascism is correct and necessary. Profits have fallen too low, democracy is no longer profitable, no matter which party is in charge. The billionaires need living standards to drop much lower. But in a democracy, people would not be willing to accept that, so they need to be disciplined violently.

    Democrats, just like Republicans will come for your loved ones, arrest communists, continue imperialist wars and genocide, shut down strikes and unions, militarize the police. Simply because Democrats are capitalist and within capitalism, fascism is the next logical step. Not for ideological reasons, but because of real material economic facts. The facts demand fascism. Democrats will adapt or cease to be Democrats.

    When Nazi fascism was defeated in Europe, it wasn’t by voting for the lesser fascists. The only way to save democracy is to organize real resistance, that’s able to enforce demands.

    If you have limited capacity to contribute and organize, don’t waste your time campaigning for the Democrats. Vote for them, if it makes sense in your state, but that’s just one day. If you have any energy to spare the rest of the year: talk to your neighbors and coworkers about real solutions. For example general strikes and anti-fascist community self defense. Learn communist theory, start a reading group. Join a Marxist org.

  • CptOblivius@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Fyi… vote in fing primaries, that is the only way to fix the kinda bad side.

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    7 days ago

    Orban lost because everyone went out and voted for the other party. If you watch interviews of voters, a lot of them said they don’t agree on everything with who they are voting for, but it must be done to progress away from the Orban era.
    Democracy is a slow process, and sometimes, voting for the lesser of two evils is the only choice you have. It opens the door for better candidates in the next elections to come.
    Or, you know… you can do an armed revolution. But lately, they don’t bring the change everyone hopes for.

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    6 days ago

    Which side thinks that food, medicine, and shelter are a human right and not just access to them is a right? I’ll always vote for that side.

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    Posts about blaming a minuscule minority of voters are specifically designed to encourage people to not look for the causes of rising fascism.

    Keeping people distracted and attacking their socialists allies is the only way Democrats can continue to move further to the right and join Trump’s new “War on the Extreme Left”.

    If you don’t see the connection, you have a problem.

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    7 days ago

    Shouldn’t you be more concerned with the parties caucuses? Since you have a two-party autocrcacy anyways

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    6 days ago

    Usually this is where I would post videos on the shortcomings of First-past-the-post voting, but that time has past us by.

    Good luck everyone.

  • PlyrRonen@lemmus.org
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    7 days ago

    Don’t tell me El-Sayed, no.1 candidate for the Michigan mayor, won’t be chosen despite the public reception over him…

    F*ck this country.

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    7 days ago

    I assumed part of the reason Hillary lost (I said “part”) was because all the media was talking non-stop about how she was going to demolish Trump with ease and it was all a hilarious joke that Trump even thought he had a chance. That much media coverage basically told so the Democrat voters to not bother going to vote because Hillary had it in the bag.