What been smoking he said no such things and tried as he might to keep Mamdani from getting elected.
…
Not gonna bother adding all the quotations, because I’ve honestly posted this 100s of times in the last year. But this was all over a year ago before Mamdani won the general, he didn’t say shit during the primary because the DNC shouldn’t be involved in those.
Amna Nawaz:
What do you take away from Zohran Mamdani’s New York City mayoral Democratic primary win? Are there lessons there for the party or the races?
Ken Martin:
Well, first, it was a brilliant campaign. And there’s a lot of lessons.
One is, he campaigned for something. And this is a critical piece. We can’t just be in a perpetual state of resisting Donald Trump. Of course, we have to resist Donald Trump. There’s no doubt about it for all the reasons we just talked about. But we also have to give people a sense of what we’re for, what the Democratic Party is fighting for, and what we would do if they put us back in power.
And that’s really critical. And I think that’s one of the lessons from Mamdani’s campaign, is that he focused on affordability. He focused on a message that was resonant with voters, and he campaigned for something, not against other people or against other things. He campaigned on a vision of how he was going to make New York City a better place to live.
I think that’s one of the lessons. The other lessons, of course, is the tactics he used to get his message out, both a very aggressive in-person campaigning, meeting voters where they’re at, and then also in those digital spaces, using very creative messaging to cut through the noise and to get to voters in an inexpensive but authentic way.
There’s a lot to learn from that campaign, and I’m excited to learn more.
I think the point you’re trying to make, past the hostility, is that the DNC is changing. This is true. It is also true that the DNC has sucked out loud for decades. Your expectation that people turn on a dime because the chair said something kind of nice about Mamdani is neither reasonable or rational. Trust takes time.
Your expectation that people turn on a dime because the chair said something kind of nice about Mamdani is neither reasonable or rational
That is not the only reason.
But you apparently don’t know any of the others, because I didn’t mention them in my last comment.
And instead of asking for more, or even (God forbid) you looking into it yourself…
You’re insisting there isn’t anything else, when even Donald fucking Rumsfield knew:
The evidence of a sense is not the evidence of a sense
But again, it take very little effort to pay attention.
Trust takes time.
Time?
Were 17 months into a four year term…
Start fucking paying attention, and I’m sorry if I’m not holding people’s hands enough but we need informed voters and I’ve tried being nice.
If all you think is wrong is my tone, then stop tone policing because that accomplishes nothing and try saying the same thing I said to the same person but use a nicer tone and see if that works.
I literally don’t care as long as one method works but insisting everyone use the same method obviously won’t work on everyone.
So you go be productive and I’ll just ignore you and hope it works out
I look at this comment and wonder where to even begin. Overall, if your goal is to make people not like you and refuse to entertain whatever point you’re making, your messaging is flawless. Perhaps you should work for the DNC!
The DNC is more than one guy and knowing the history of, say, the last decade or so might help understand the position people take concerning the DNC.
Is that why the DNC chair started hyping up Mamdani last year as soon as he won his primary?
The DNC’s actual function is to run the presidential nomination, so right now in a non-presidential year with a Republican president the DNC chair is mostly just a figurehead to hype up the base, and institutional power is with Hakeem Jeffries and the DCCC and Chuck Schumer and the DSCC. That’s why you have a pattern of alternating progressive and centrist DNC chairs. When Democrats lose the presidential election they put in Tom Perez or Ken Martin to keep donations coming and tide them over while they’re out of power, then once there’s a Democratic president they put in Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Jaime Harrison to behead all those who insult Israel.
“DNC” as shorthand for establishment Dems became common back in 2016 when the DNC was very tightly integrated into the Hillary Clinton campaign and was the main conservative power center in the Democratic party. That’s not true all the time but the way power works inside the Democratic party is deliberately swampy and confusing to stop you from putting an easy name to the problem.
and institutional power is with Hakeem Jeffries and the DCCC and Chuck Schumer and the DSCC
They were both lame ducks the second Martin became chair.
They got their positions and people listened to them because if not the DNC would cut off funding to entire states at a time…
Like, why do you think as soon as the new chair was set, everyone stopped caring what those two say?
And the DCCC and DSCC never did anything, neoliberals are trying to gaslight people I to thinking those are important, because neoliberals still control those.
A THIRD of our Base Identifies as THAT! OBVIOUSLY the Path to VICTORY is to WIN over
them!the ZERO Percent of our Base who are MAGA!-The DNC!
Is that why the DNC chair started hyping up Mamdani last year as soon as he won his primary?
Is that why the DNC chair said we need a presidential candidate with policy positions and charisma of Mamdani back then too?
Like, it’s getting really really hard to give people the benefit of the doubt at this point that they’re genuinely ignorant of what’s been happening…
The person you replied to is ignorant of the fact that the neoliberals lost control of the DNC in 2024.
What been smoking he said no such things and tried as he might to keep Mamdani from getting elected.
…
Not gonna bother adding all the quotations, because I’ve honestly posted this 100s of times in the last year. But this was all over a year ago before Mamdani won the general, he didn’t say shit during the primary because the DNC shouldn’t be involved in those.
Amna Nawaz:
What do you take away from Zohran Mamdani’s New York City mayoral Democratic primary win? Are there lessons there for the party or the races?
Ken Martin:
Well, first, it was a brilliant campaign. And there’s a lot of lessons.
One is, he campaigned for something. And this is a critical piece. We can’t just be in a perpetual state of resisting Donald Trump. Of course, we have to resist Donald Trump. There’s no doubt about it for all the reasons we just talked about. But we also have to give people a sense of what we’re for, what the Democratic Party is fighting for, and what we would do if they put us back in power.
And that’s really critical. And I think that’s one of the lessons from Mamdani’s campaign, is that he focused on affordability. He focused on a message that was resonant with voters, and he campaigned for something, not against other people or against other things. He campaigned on a vision of how he was going to make New York City a better place to live.
I think that’s one of the lessons. The other lessons, of course, is the tactics he used to get his message out, both a very aggressive in-person campaigning, meeting voters where they’re at, and then also in those digital spaces, using very creative messaging to cut through the noise and to get to voters in an inexpensive but authentic way.
There’s a lot to learn from that campaign, and I’m excited to learn more.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/dnc-chair-on-the-path-to-winning-back-voters-and-lessons-democrats-can-learn-from-mamdani
Edit:
Apparently only saw your comment because page reloaded and signed me out.
Not taking you off because you got on there for a reason whatever it was, but you got a freebie.
I think the point you’re trying to make, past the hostility, is that the DNC is changing. This is true. It is also true that the DNC has sucked out loud for decades. Your expectation that people turn on a dime because the chair said something kind of nice about Mamdani is neither reasonable or rational. Trust takes time.
I’m saying it changed past tense.
That is not the only reason.
But you apparently don’t know any of the others, because I didn’t mention them in my last comment.
And instead of asking for more, or even (God forbid) you looking into it yourself…
You’re insisting there isn’t anything else, when even Donald fucking Rumsfield knew:
But again, it take very little effort to pay attention.
Time?
Were 17 months into a four year term…
Start fucking paying attention, and I’m sorry if I’m not holding people’s hands enough but we need informed voters and I’ve tried being nice.
If all you think is wrong is my tone, then stop tone policing because that accomplishes nothing and try saying the same thing I said to the same person but use a nicer tone and see if that works.
I literally don’t care as long as one method works but insisting everyone use the same method obviously won’t work on everyone.
So you go be productive and I’ll just ignore you and hope it works out
I look at this comment and wonder where to even begin. Overall, if your goal is to make people not like you and refuse to entertain whatever point you’re making, your messaging is flawless. Perhaps you should work for the DNC!
The DNC is more than one guy and knowing the history of, say, the last decade or so might help understand the position people take concerning the DNC.
The DNC’s actual function is to run the presidential nomination, so right now in a non-presidential year with a Republican president the DNC chair is mostly just a figurehead to hype up the base, and institutional power is with Hakeem Jeffries and the DCCC and Chuck Schumer and the DSCC. That’s why you have a pattern of alternating progressive and centrist DNC chairs. When Democrats lose the presidential election they put in Tom Perez or Ken Martin to keep donations coming and tide them over while they’re out of power, then once there’s a Democratic president they put in Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Jaime Harrison to behead all those who insult Israel.
“DNC” as shorthand for establishment Dems became common back in 2016 when the DNC was very tightly integrated into the Hillary Clinton campaign and was the main conservative power center in the Democratic party. That’s not true all the time but the way power works inside the Democratic party is deliberately swampy and confusing to stop you from putting an easy name to the problem.
They were both lame ducks the second Martin became chair.
They got their positions and people listened to them because if not the DNC would cut off funding to entire states at a time…
Like, why do you think as soon as the new chair was set, everyone stopped caring what those two say?
And the DCCC and DSCC never did anything, neoliberals are trying to gaslight people I to thinking those are important, because neoliberals still control those.