I get why you think of it as a direction and not a concrete definition. Seems like most people think of it that way, like when the government does stuff it’s socialism and when it does alot of stuff it’s communism.
“Anyone with a different opinion is stupid. Watch, I’ll twist their beliefs into a very stupid version of it.”
Sure, buddy.
Kills me that that’s the way people think of it because of how unproductive it is but I get it…
Yeah, I get it too, you don’t like when people aren’t tankies.
I don’t think anything is bloodless.
What are you talking about? Glancing at a cloud is bloodless.
Staying status quo and voting is super bloody with all the conflict and genocide going on too. I would like an end state that creates a better world for workers.
Literally everyone discussing politics says that the world should be less violent and better for the working class. Save your platitudes for someone they will impress.
I’d argue the USSR was socialist and that they improved the lives of workers dramatically. That can be compared to the previous feudalist monarchy they had their bloody revolution against or the clown show capitalist country that took their place after.
I’m not saying the USSR was perfect and didn’t commit any atrocities but I’d say they were one of the better countries for their time. I think there’s a lot of propaganda, especially on the English internet about them. This is something I found a couple years ago that the CIA declassified mentioned Stalin not being a dictator and explained a bit of how the actual politics work.
Suddenly you trust capitalist imperialist western propaganda when it supports your argument? Or would you say the CIA is a trustworthy source more broadly?
I don’t think me and you were going to get to the bottom of it, but if you weren’t aware historians really contest whether or not the holodomor was intentional.
As far as the uighur genocide,
Subtly not capitalizing things to downplay/dismiss them to aid in your propaganda efforts. I see you.
For the record, nobody should care how intentional genocides are. If you do, that’s a you problem.
What’s funny to me is almost nobody knows about the Bengal famine which was done by Britain. Around the same time. It was racially targeted at Indian people and it killed nearly as many people but no one ever talks about it. Only bring it up to say the holodomor wasn’t good. It was an atrocity regardless of if it was planned or incompetence but it’s weird to me. How much we let it influence the legacy of the USSR as opposed to other countries with other atrocities.
Literal Whataboutism right out of the tankie playbook.
have you considered how weird it is that the same countries that are supporting Israel’s genocide in Palestine are the ones calling out China for this?
At the same time there is shit like the link below that makes me wonder if genocide is apt or if the treatment of uyghurs is more similar to how black Americans are treated in America. It seems like there is extra prison time and use of Labor in prison, but it doesn’t seem like a wholesale slaughter or cultural erasure.
If I misunderstood how you think about socialism please correct me. Just sounded like what I’ve heard before.
When I said nothing is bloodless I mean politically. If you let the last status quo be and just gaze at clouds there will still be blood and suffering.
Does everyone say the world should be better for workers? Doesn’t seem that way to me but I grew up around rich Republicans so maybe that’s just weird.
I trust when any source tells me something that goes against the narratives that would benefit them. That includes the CIA saying nice things about enemy countries. I figured you would trust western sources more, would you prefer other sources?
I’m bad at spelling and grammar lol, I’m not capitalizing to manipulate you. I’m just shooting the shit with you although you came off so hostile this time I should probably call it quits but here I am typing away like I’m still emailing for work😵💫
Actually intent is a part of the definition of genocide so you are incorrect
I’m not doing whataboutism… I was drawing parrells to other real world events to compare the holodomor and what is happening to the UYGHURS in china as I don’t think those events where genocide but I do think they were horrible.
Hell let me put it this way chattel slavery in the USA was horrible but it wasn’t genocide either. Do you get what I’m saying?
If I misunderstood how you think about socialism please correct me. Just sounded like what I’ve heard before.
That’s a high word count for “I employed a straw man;” you padding for length?
When I said nothing is bloodless I mean politically.
Nah, if everything in politics is bloody then dropping nuclear bombs on every city center is the same as saying “Hello” in a city council meeting. You’re being ridiculous.
Does everyone say the world should be better for workers? Doesn’t seem that way to me but I grew up around rich Republicans so maybe that’s just weird.
Yes, Republicans have always said they “fight for the working class.” For someone who thinks themselves as pretty politically aware, you’re pretty politically unaware.
I’m bad at spelling and grammar lol, I’m not capitalizing to manipulate you. I’m just shooting the shit with you although you came off so hostile this time I should probably call it quits but here I am typing away like I’m still emailing for work
Yeah you did a whole bunch of tankie red-flags in the last comment, and I don’t like tankies.
Actually intent is a part of the definition of genocide so you are incorrect
Cool. Enjoy your pedantic victory. You want to say “the negligent deaths of a great many people” to pad for more length, you go right ahead.
I’m not doing whataboutism… I was drawing parrells to other real world events to compare the holodomor and what is happening to the UYGHURS in china as I don’t think those events where genocide but I do think they were horrible.
You were. You either don’t think you were doing a Whataboutism because you didn’t mean to, or you want others to believe you weren’t doing a Whataboutism. Either way, you were.
Hell let me put it this way chattel slavery in the USA was horrible but it wasn’t genocide either. Do you get what I’m saying?
“Anyone with a different opinion is stupid. Watch, I’ll twist their beliefs into a very stupid version of it.”
Sure, buddy.
Yeah, I get it too, you don’t like when people aren’t tankies.
What are you talking about? Glancing at a cloud is bloodless.
Literally everyone discussing politics says that the world should be less violent and better for the working class. Save your platitudes for someone they will impress.
Suddenly you trust capitalist imperialist western propaganda when it supports your argument? Or would you say the CIA is a trustworthy source more broadly?
Subtly not capitalizing things to downplay/dismiss them to aid in your propaganda efforts. I see you.
For the record, nobody should care how intentional genocides are. If you do, that’s a you problem.
Literal Whataboutism right out of the tankie playbook.
Second Whataboutism.
If I misunderstood how you think about socialism please correct me. Just sounded like what I’ve heard before.
When I said nothing is bloodless I mean politically. If you let the last status quo be and just gaze at clouds there will still be blood and suffering.
Does everyone say the world should be better for workers? Doesn’t seem that way to me but I grew up around rich Republicans so maybe that’s just weird.
I trust when any source tells me something that goes against the narratives that would benefit them. That includes the CIA saying nice things about enemy countries. I figured you would trust western sources more, would you prefer other sources?
I’m bad at spelling and grammar lol, I’m not capitalizing to manipulate you. I’m just shooting the shit with you although you came off so hostile this time I should probably call it quits but here I am typing away like I’m still emailing for work😵💫
Actually intent is a part of the definition of genocide so you are incorrect
https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition
“Committed with intent to destroy” …
I’m not doing whataboutism… I was drawing parrells to other real world events to compare the holodomor and what is happening to the UYGHURS in china as I don’t think those events where genocide but I do think they were horrible.
Hell let me put it this way chattel slavery in the USA was horrible but it wasn’t genocide either. Do you get what I’m saying?
That’s a high word count for “I employed a straw man;” you padding for length?
Nah, if everything in politics is bloody then dropping nuclear bombs on every city center is the same as saying “Hello” in a city council meeting. You’re being ridiculous.
Yes, Republicans have always said they “fight for the working class.” For someone who thinks themselves as pretty politically aware, you’re pretty politically unaware.
Yeah you did a whole bunch of tankie red-flags in the last comment, and I don’t like tankies.
Cool. Enjoy your pedantic victory. You want to say “the negligent deaths of a great many people” to pad for more length, you go right ahead.
You were. You either don’t think you were doing a Whataboutism because you didn’t mean to, or you want others to believe you weren’t doing a Whataboutism. Either way, you were.
Yep, reading your pedantic point loud and clear.
Ok dude, sorry the info I was giving you hurt your feelings. I’ll enjoy the victory in peace like you suggested.
Enjoy the rest of your day. ✌️
Oh yeah you definitely had the dictionary locked in better than me, no question.
It’s too bad that’s not what we were really discussing, and it’s too bad tankies can’t stand on their own without bad faith tactics.